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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Easy Target View Post
    As opposed to the other "news" outlets that don't ask any questions or say anything critical of Obama at all.
    I agree, the other outlets are just as bad.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Just turn it on and wait 30 seconds.
    No no... something specific. You pick one as I assume due to your comment, they happen every 30 seconds.


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    That's not a news show, that's a morning commentary show. Like MSNBC's "Morning Joe" or "Good Morning America".

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    Silly mistake right? Yet it happens all the time and you will excuse it. Of course you will. Simple dumb mistake.
    Au contraire - it's no more a mistake than Olberman's "Worst Person in the World" segment is valid news. Try again.

    Pick out a lie from "FoxNews".

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Editorializing the news.

    A few years back Reuters, in a lead in to a news article about China called China's president a stone faced dictator. That is not news, it is an editorial opinion, yet we have a tendancy to accept it as news.

    To me, news should be as factual as possible without opinion. We tend to get in as much milage out of controversial news item as possible which results in opinionated news.

    Most news can be reported in a few paragraphs. But the tendancy, especially when it comes to hot items is to regurgitate the same facts (or missfacts) as possible to fill up the required space in order to call themselves a newspaper. This so called news then takes on a life of its own as the public clammers for more villians. That is not responsible news reporting, that is done for market share and advertising dollars.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's not a news show, that's a morning commentary show.
    Oh silly me. It should be called Fox and Friends morning discussion ignore anything we say it is our opinion.

    The problem is that most folks cannot tell the difference between truth and commenting.

    Like MSNBC's "Morning Joe" or "Good Morning America".
    People assume a lot around here. I do not like MSNBC or CNN either. "Good Morning America" doesn't really comment, but when they do - it is more clear.

    Pick out a lie from "FoxNews".
    I did. And like my genius mind prophesied - you ignored it.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

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    Editorializing the news.

    A few years back Reuters, in a lead in to a news article about China called China's president a stone faced dictator. That is not news, it is an editorial opinion, yet we have a tendancy to accept it as news.

    To me, news should be as factual as possible without opinion. We tend to get in as much milage out of controversial news item as possible which results in opinionated news.

    Most news can be reported in a few paragraphs. But the tendancy, especially when it comes to hot items is to regurgitate the same facts (or missfacts) as possible to fill up the required space in order to call themselves a newspaper. This so called news then takes on a life of its own as the public clammers for more villians. That is not responsible news reporting, that is done for market share and advertising dollars.

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    Technically, the news should really never use verbs other than "said," "did," "is," etc. -- simple verbs which say what happened, but don't "describe" what happened.

    So, when a "news" story says something like "the Press Secretary retreated into ambiguity by claiming . . . " -- well, that's editorial.

    You'll be hard-pressed to find any news story which passes that test.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

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    I did. And like my genius mind prophesied - you ignored it.
    Correction - I "rejected" it since it's not a news program. I'll help you out:

    Fox News Programming:

    America's NewsHQ (weekends)
    Fox News Watch (Saturday's 11:30, 2:30)
    Fox Report (Weekdays 7pm)
    Happening New (Weekdays 11am)
    Special Report (Weekdays 6pm)
    Live Desk (Weekdays 1pm)

    Fox Opinion / Commentator Shows:

    Fox & Friends
    Cavuto
    Glen Beck
    Hannity
    Huckabee



    Does that help out? Now... how about those "Fox News" lies you promised?

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    "You'll be hard-pressed to find any news story which passes that test. "

    That's all part of the dumbing down of America. From what I have been able to gather, most journalism classes now teach that editorializing in a news story is the right thing to do. My godson's journalism teacher argues that it is the responsibility of the reporter to bring people to their point of view when writing news stories. When I confronted this clown, she defended her position by stating that the average person does not have enough knowledge to make the decision so since the reporter has done the investigation, he is more able to tell the people what is important and how it should be interpreted.

    Talk about juevos! Needless to say, I filed a formal complaint with the college and also needled to say, it went nowhere. After all, she has tenure.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Easy Target View Post
    "You'll be hard-pressed to find any news story which passes that test. "

    That's all part of the dumbing down of America. From what I have been able to gather, most journalism classes now teach that editorializing in a news story is the right thing to do. My godson's journalism teacher argues that it is the responsibility of the reporter to bring people to their point of view when writing news stories. When I confronted this clown, she defended her position by stating that the average person does not have enough knowledge to make the decision so since the reporter has done the investigation, he is more able to tell the people what is important and how it should be interpreted.

    Talk about juevos! Needless to say, I filed a formal complaint with the college and also needled to say, it went nowhere. After all, she has tenure.
    I sympathize --- it's apparent people cannot distinguish between what is a news program and what is a commentary program designed to elicit opinions and give opinions BASED ON a news story. In fact, our own White House is attempting (because they damn well know the difference) to clump all of Fox's programming together, which is dishonest at best. Just like all other cable media outlets, there is news and then there is opinion / commentary shows.

    However, yes, it is dumbing down America to merge the two things together when they are clearly not together. Having a journalism prof mix the two together simply confirms that she'll damage a many new generations of fake journalists who will inject opinion into "news", therefore redefining "news" as a synonym for "opinion". That has one outcome --- the irrelevance of media in the future.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    Just turn it on and wait 30 seconds.

    Wednesday morning (context, complaining about the Obama admin):

    YouTube - Dana Perino admits that the Bush White House essentially froze out MSNBC towards the end

    Newsweek called *FoxNews* un-american, not the President!

    Silly mistake right? Yet it happens all the time and you will excuse it. Of course you will. Simple dumb mistake.

    Original article:
    Why Fox News Is Un-American | Newsweek Newsweek Voices - Jacob Weisberg | Newsweek.com
    I don't follow, is this a lie that they spread?
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

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    Obama had better stop screwing around with Fox, and move on.
    I actually agree. He's said enough. Move on.

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