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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Well, this just brings me straight back to 2001 or so ...
    How so?????
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    After witnessing the Democratic deluge on Election Day in a so-called battleground state, I have withdrawn my belief in that mythical political unicorn called the Independent. On Election Day, masses of the so-called Independents were solidly Democratic. We wasted so much time going to PA to protect the vote from Republican challengers that when voters were told why we were there they busted out in uncontrollable laughter. What this told me was: if Democrats put forth the right candidate we can out-vote Republicans and Independents. Its all about the candidate not the party designation on the registration form.
    What applies in PA doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of the country.

    PA was never really a battleground state, McCain just really wanted it to be one.

    Although, Specter isn't doing well in the polls right now, so it may well be starting to go Republican again....

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    But no one, not even Republicans, liked the prior administration. Bush spoke from a video at the Republican Presidential Convention and McCain ran as far away as he could from Bush. Iraqis who were going to greet us as liberators were throwing shoes at Bush. His presence generated violent demonstrations in every country and some of our allies were drafting war crimes prosecutions against his administration. So it is hard to say anything complimentary of the last president who was an absolute failure at everything he touched.
    Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

    So, what you're saying is that it was OK to have nothing but nightly tirades against Bush, but when it's Obama, well, that's darn near treasonous.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    How so?????
    Back then, I used to be a jingoistic zombified conservative. I felt like the United States was the best nation in the history of mankind, that we could do practically no wrong as a country, and that (for the most part) if you had done nothing wrong you had nothing to fear from the justice system.

    When Bush first ran for office, I was taken in by his rhetoric, hook line and sinker. When he was elected I was overjoyed. When he first responded to 9/11 I was proud.

    I was, in short, a water-carrier for Rush Limbaugh, the Republican party and for the United States in general. I had drunk the Kool-Aid, dropped the acid, and so on.

    In short, you remind me of a liberal version of me.

    It took me a few years and a little help from my friends, but figured out a number of things. Yeah, the US is a pretty cool place to live, but we're a long way from our founding ideals, much less from being faultless. The two parties are functionally sock puppets, manipulated masterfully by the interests which bribe them with money, influence and baubles. Conservative ideas are great in theory, but we are a very long way past the time when we didn't need a little help from our friends to get by.

    Maybe you'll get there too. Time will tell.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Back then, I used to be a jingoistic zombified conservative. I felt like the United States was the best nation in the history of mankind, that we could do practically no wrong as a country, and that (for the most part) if you had done nothing wrong you had nothing to fear from the justice system.

    When Bush first ran for office, I was taken in by his rhetoric, hook line and sinker. When he was elected I was overjoyed. When he first responded to 9/11 I was proud.

    I was, in short, a water-carrier for Rush Limbaugh, the Republican party and for the United States in general. I had drunk the Kool-Aid, dropped the acid, and so on.

    In short, you remind me of a liberal version of me.

    It took me a few years and a little help from my friends, but figured out a number of things. Yeah, the US is a pretty cool place to live, but we're a long way from our founding ideals, much less from being faultless. The two parties are functionally sock puppets, manipulated masterfully by the interests which bribe them with money, influence and baubles. Conservative ideas are great in theory, but we are a very long way past the time when we didn't need a little help from our friends to get by.

    Maybe you'll get there too. Time will tell.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    Maybe I'm misstating my case.
    maybe---LOL!

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    America is the greatest country in the history of Mankind.
    Yeah, you're today's other TacticalEvilDan of 2001 Award winner.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I found tons of stuff on rachel maddow. Apparently I'm not the only one who has a visceral reaction to her. Instead, I thought I'd go with this:

    source



    Msnbc and it's hiring of liberal commentators was not for "objectivity" but to create a "leftist" version of fox news. That's right, they were trying to mimic fox news....all for money. Apparently they aren't "objective" at all, just a leftist version of fox. The really bad part of all of this is, they are failing.
    The MSNBC guy said he hired "smart" people and you immediately turned that into "liberal" people. It seems that as people become more educated they become more liberal. The less educated tend to gravitate toward conservatism.

    For instance: Sean Hannity is conservative and he dropped out of college; Rachel Maddow is liberal and she has a doctorate from Oxford. Dick Cheney is conservative and he dropped out of Yale; Obama is liberal and has a Harvard Law Degree. George Bush Sr. is conservative and has a Bachelor's degree; Bill Clinton, a liberal was a Rhodes Scholar. Keith Olberman, started as a sports announcer, graduated from an Ivy League college. Sarah Palin, started as a sports announcer, and she was bounced from 4 different colleges before she barely managed to graduate from a tiny midwestern college. So when you seek out a smart person you are more likely to end up with a liberal.

    Don't get me wrong: a mere college degree doesn't mean that you are smart and some brilliant people do not have one. But if having a college degree is a job requirement at MSNBC, the channel is more likely to end up with liberals than conservatives. Hannity would not qualify for a job at MSNBC had his resume popped up from the fax machine. But MSNBC was not intentionally trying to "create a leftist version" of the news.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    maybe---LOL!
    Text...without Context...is Pretext
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    and laughter is funny

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