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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    the independent vote is much ado about nothing---LOL!

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    No one wants to listen to Obama worship and "thrills" running up men's legs when they hear Obama speak. But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to. Oberman and Maddow are obviously Democrats but they will pummel Obama when he retreats on his campaign promises i.e. closing Gitmo, putting tax cuts into stimulus bill without securing any Republican votes in the House, ending don't ask/don't tell, backing away from public option etc. etc.

    By presenting the pros and cons of the administration these 2 left-wing pundits have a legitimate claim to journalistic objectivity.




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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Sounds like Fox News and its sheep are feeling a little threatened.
    God forbid that someone fight back and stop the spread of their propoganda.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    When Obama speaks, the entire country and indeed the world listens. Fox only captures a very small portion of the tiny radical-right of the Republican party. At best their viewership is about 2 million people. More people live in Brooklyn, NY than watch Fox News. So, trust me when I tell you "the news of Obama's demise at the hands of Fox has been greatly exaggerated".



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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    it's the president who's looking threatened

    well, actually he is threatened

    sarah palin (LOL!) typed a twitter on "death panels," and 3 days later the entire party expostulated, "ok, ok, we'll take em out"

    glenn beck (LOL!) introduced van jones (not funny) to america, and within 5 days the racist truther was no more

    joe wilson (who's he?) shouted LIAR, and by the end of the week the white house issued a friday nite report promising to tuffen up anti-illegal language in the reform

    fox, meanwhile, is LAUGHING

    hannity's show every nite starts with an ominous disclaimer:

    WARNING: THIS PROGRAM IS NOT WHITE HOUSE APPROVED

    and fox's ratings are thru the roof---FORTY PERCENT! higher than the other three COMBINED!

    Cable News Ratings - TV Ratings, Nielsen Ratings, Television Show Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.com

    fox is eating this stuff up, the network grows

    obama shrinks

    once president of all the people, he hardly leads in a chatroom anymore
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Is that true? I can't remember the exit polliing now, but it seems like Independents did make a difference? Maybe PA was different ... I can't remember, actually.

    But, Independents now outnumber Dems and Reps, so it seems like they are important. Indies have been the biggest slice in Maine for awhile.
    After witnessing the Democratic deluge on Election Day in a so-called battleground state, I have withdrawn my belief in that mythical political unicorn called the Independent. On Election Day, masses of the so-called Independents were solidly Democratic. We wasted so much time going to PA to protect the vote from Republican challengers that when voters were told why we were there they busted out in uncontrollable laughter. What this told me was: if Democrats put forth the right candidate we can out-vote Republicans and Independents. Its all about the candidate not the party designation on the registration form.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    No one wants to listen to Obama worship and "thrills" running up men's legs when they hear Obama speak. But Keith Oberman and Rachael Maddow, however, are examples of what Fox News anchors should aspire to. Oberman and Maddow are obviously Democrats but they will pummel Obama when he retreats on his campaign promises i.e. closing Gitmo, putting tax cuts into stimulus bill without securing any Republican votes in the House, ending don't ask/don't tell, backing away from public option etc. etc.

    By presenting the pros and cons of the administration these 2 left-wing pundits have a legitimate claim to journalistic objectivity
    .
    Is this the kind of journalistic integrity you were speaking of? I shouldn't think so if only because he hasn't "pummeled" obama for retreating from this campaign promise.

    On January 31 of this year, Keith Olbermann donned his most serious face and most indignant voice tone to rail against George Bush for supporting telecom immunity and revisions to FISA. In a 10-minute "Special Comment," the MSNBC star condemned Bush for wanting to "retroactively immunize corporate criminals," and said that telecom immnity is "an ex post facto law, which would clear the phone giants from responsibility for their systematic, aggressive and blatant collaboration with [Bush's] illegal and unjustified spying on Americans under this flimsy guise of looking for any terrorists who are stupid enough to make a collect call or send a mass email."

    Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government." Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration,......
    That was then. Apparently he's now changed his mind.......to agree with "the one."

    .....Strong and righteous words indeed. But that was five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed......Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama's support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here). There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals" or "textbook examples of Fascism" or the Third Reich. There wasn't a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama's bravery and strength -- as evidenced by his "standing up to the left" in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise:
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    it's the president who's looking threatened

    well, actually he is threatened

    sarah palin (LOL!) typed a twitter on "death panels," and 3 days later the entire party expostulated, "ok, ok, we'll take em out"

    glenn beck (LOL!) introduced van jones (not funny) to america, and within 5 days the racist truther was no more

    joe wilson (who's he?) shouted LIAR, and by the end of the week the white house issued a friday nite report promising to tuffen up anti-illegal language in the reform

    fox, meanwhile, is LAUGHING

    hannity's show every nite starts with an ominous disclaimer:

    WARNING: THIS PROGRAM IS NOT WHITE HOUSE APPROVED

    and fox's ratings are thru the roof---FORTY PERCENT! higher than the other three COMBINED!

    Cable News Ratings - TV Ratings, Nielsen Ratings, Television Show Ratings | TVbytheNumbers.com

    fox is eating this stuff up, the network grows

    obama shrinks

    once president of all the people, he hardly leads in a chatroom anymore
    Sarah Palin talked about "death panels" and Democrats removed a Republican provision which would pay for people to create living wills. Without a living will the government may have to decide what to do with you if you are ever in a coma and can't speak for yourself. Nice going Sarah...lol

    The deadly "green-jobs" czar was able to remove dozens of sponsors from the Glenn Beck show and he can actually be more effective at this effort outside the WH than in it. Smart move Beck.

    Joe Wilson screamed out Liar and that triggered Representative Grayson from Florida to launch into a vicious attack against the Republicans on healthcare and now you can't shut him up. He is drawing headlines and national attention with his now famous tirade that Republican healthcare means "Die Quickly". Wilson has created a liberal monster. Brilliant!!!

    Fox ratings climb but their credibility is shot. People are tuning in to Fox to watch the latest edition of "silly-season" and "gotcha politics". No one takes them seriously.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    Sarah Palin talked about "death panels" and Democrats removed a Republican provision which would pay for people to create living wills. Without a living will the government may have to decide what to do with you if you are ever in a coma and can't speak for yourself. Nice going Sarah...lol

    The deadly "green-jobs" czar was able to remove dozens of sponsors from the Glenn Beck show and he can actually be more effective at this effort outside the WH than in it. Smart move Beck.

    Joe Wilson screamed out Liar and that triggered Representative Grayson from Florida to launch into a vicious attack against the Republicans on healthcare and now you can't shut him up. He is drawing headlines and national attention with his now famous tirade that Republican healthcare means "Die Quickly". Wilson has created a liberal monster. Brilliant!!!

    Fox ratings climb but their credibility is shot. People are tuning in to Fox to watch the latest edition of "silly-season" and "gotcha politics". No one takes them seriously.
    You wish all this crap was true.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

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    Is this the kind of journalistic integrity you were speaking of? I shouldn't think so if only because he hasn't "pummeled" obama for retreating from this campaign promise.
    On January 31 of this year, Keith Olbermann donned his most serious face and most indignant voice tone to rail against George Bush for supporting telecom immunity and revisions to FISA. In a 10-minute "Special Comment," the MSNBC star condemned Bush for wanting to "retroactively immunize corporate criminals," and said that telecom immnity is "an ex post facto law, which would clear the phone giants from responsibility for their systematic, aggressive and blatant collaboration with [Bush's] illegal and unjustified spying on Americans under this flimsy guise of looking for any terrorists who are stupid enough to make a collect call or send a mass email."

    Olbermann added that telecom amnesty was a "shameless, breathless, literally textbook example of Fascism -- the merged efforts of government and corporations that answer to no government." Noting the numerous telecom lobbyists connected to the Bush administration,......
    That was then. Apparently he's now changed his mind.......to agree with "the one."

    .....Strong and righteous words indeed. But that was five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed......Last night, Olbermann invited Newsweek's Jonathan Alter onto his show to discuss Obama's support for the FISA and telecom amnesty bill (video of the segment is here). There wasn't a syllable uttered about "immunizing corporate criminals" or "textbook examples of Fascism" or the Third Reich. There wasn't a word of rational criticism of the bill either. Instead, the two media stars jointly hailed Obama's bravery and strength -- as evidenced by his "standing up to the left" in order to support this important centrist FISA compromise:
    If you're going to use someone else's effort it's usually customary to give that someone credit for their endeavors.

    Keith Olbermann: Then and now - Glenn Greenwald - Salon.com
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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