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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    Because other lazy, morons in the media will simply pick up on a Fox fallacy and turn it into real news story through repetition. Then the WH has to spend precious time debunking silliness such as "death panels" and "euthanasia" instead of debating true health care reform.
    While I'm sure that some people got that from Fox - Such things were delivered to my inbox NOT by Fox.

    *shrug*

    Tonight Rachel Maddow (gasp, I know, I watched some of her show) said that Fox is not a legitimate "news station" because it does not side with the government - it, instead, opposes our current leaders.


    So to be "legitimate news" it has to be "supporting the government at all times"

    Well holy cow.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    Explain the "blunder". I hear pundits saying it but no one has shown the harm suffered by Obama. I doubt if any of the 65 million people who voted for Obama thought that Fox was a legitimate news organization in the first place. So Obama didn't tell us anything we didn't already know.
    I'm not sure there is a blunder as such. The left wing of the democratic party certainly wants this. On the other hand this matter as well as others are energizing the conservatives in this country like you wouldn't believe.

    Fox viewership is an inexact science at best but if more people are indeed watching Fox they will reach the same conclusion as the Whitehouse reached. Fox may have more viewers now but far less credibility.
    Fox ratings are not only healthy but getting healthier. As for your "credibility theory" the author seemed to feel the loss of viewership at cnn and msnbc was a result of the the public treating obama as a sort of god. They wanted a more realistic news coverage of this administration. I tend to agree with the author.

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    .....Now, seven months after Barack Obama's victory, CNN's ratings have gone down the drain. From May of last year to May of this year, CNN lost 22% of its total primetime audience. MSNBC was down 2%, while FoxNews was up 24%. In the key advertising demographic (25-54), Fox was up 31%, CNN was down 37% and MSNBC was down 26%. In hard numbers, Fox had 109,000 more viewers than last year while CNN lost 113,000. CNN averaged fewer than 200,000 25-54 viewers in primetime. Even MSNBC averaged more viewers than that.....
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    If that were true, it makes him look like even more of a crybaby toddler for throwing such a tantrum about them, doesn't it?

    Not really. After all the yelling and disrespectful screaming Fox sponsored at townhall meetings this summer, it's ok if they get slapped around a little. They're big boys, I'm sure they can handle their beating.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    Because other lazy, morons in the media will simply pick up on a Fox fallacy and turn it into real news story through repetition. Then the WH has to spend precious time debunking silliness such as "death panels" and "euthanasia" instead of debating true health care reform.
    1. That "silliness" had very little to do with Fox News
    2. By debunking such "silliness", they are essentially making it more of a news story when if it really is so silly, it should just be ignored.
    3. You didn't say why the administration is targeting Fox News instead of targeting the assertions Fox News makes
    4. Interesting avatar... do you defend every action Obama and crew make, or do you actually have any individual thoughts of your own?

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    Not really. After all the yelling and disrespectful screaming Fox sponsored at townhall meetings this summer, it's ok if they get slapped around a little. They're big boys, I'm sure they can handle their beating.
    "Fox sponsored"? Are you really so ignorant as to think Fox had anything to do with those or are you just trolling now?

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    "Fox sponsored"? Are you really so ignorant as to think Fox had anything to do with those or are you just trolling now?
    Fox produced and paid for some of those commercials that promoted the Teabag rallies.

    They did blantantly sponsor them.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I'm not sure there is a blunder as such. The left wing of the democratic party certainly wants this. On the other hand this matter as well as others are energizing the conservatives in this country like you wouldn't believe.



    Fox ratings are not only healthy but getting healthier. As for your "credibility theory" the author seemed to feel the loss of viewership at cnn and msnbc was a result of the the public treating obama as a sort of god. They wanted a more realistic news coverage of this administration. I tend to agree with the author.

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    I'm inclined to believe that all this energy emanating from conservatives may be attributable to other reasons than Obama's censure of Fox.

    NEWS FLASH to Dutch: Most people do not buy cable to watch news. Only hardcore political wonks watch cable news. The vast majority of the public still watches network news or use the Internet. So while Fox viewership goes up it is only attracting a very small portion of the population that is already politically active or interested. These are people who have already decided which side they are on.

    The Fox weakness is that it is so partisan that it does not have a crossover audience. Educated whites, the youth, women, blacks and latinos, the people that make up the Obama majority, do not watch Fox for news and we view it as an illegitimate news network. If Fox cannot penetrate this market; Obama can attack Fox with political impunity.

    If I were Obama I would go for the juglar right now when you have them pinned down.
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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Kinda like stepping on the head of a poisonous snake and putting it out of it's misery.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by 10thJustice View Post
    I'm inclined to believe that all this energy emanating from conservatives may be attributable to other reasons than Obama's censure of Fox.

    NEWS FLASH to Dutch: Most people do not buy cable to watch news. Only hardcore political wonks watch cable news. The vast majority of the public still watches network news or use the Internet. So while Fox viewership goes up it is only attracting a very small portion of the population that is already politically active or interested. These are people who have already decided which side they are on.

    The Fox weakness is that it is so partisan that it does not have a crossover audience. Educated whites, the youth, women, blacks and latinos, the people that make up the Obama majority, do not watch Fox for news and we view it as an illegitimate news network. If Fox cannot penetrate this market; Obama can attack Fox with political impunity.

    If I were Obama I would go for the juglar right now when you have them pinned down.
    As a conservative, that's exactly what I would want obama to do. The farther liberals and leftists pull obama to the left the more you lose the most important and only growing political demographic left....independents.


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    Demographic Notes - Barack Obama Approval Index
    See Demographic Notes for the Election 2008 Presidential Race.

    October 22, 2009: Fifty percent (50%) of Democrats Strongly Approve while 66% of Republicans Strongly Disapprove of his performance. Among those not affiliated with either major political party, 18% Strongly Approve and 42% Strongly Disapprove.

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    Re: White House attacks worry moderate Democrats

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    "Fox sponsored"? Are you really so ignorant as to think Fox had anything to do with those or are you just trolling now?
    The health care rioters are part of the larger "tea-bag" movement. And Fox sponsored the entire movement by providing them with free publicity and organizational assistance. Any screaming tea-bagger that was willing to show his ignorance at a healthcare townhall meeting earned himself air time on Fox that night. These fools were yelling out: "keep your government hands off my Medicare" and "kill the bill" and urging gravely ill patients to seek charity to help them themselves instead of health insurance . And yet, Fox put them on TV and never asked them to explain their lunacy.

    Glenn Beck, a Fox News reporter, was the highlight speaker at the tea bagger rally at the Alamo, in Texas. He did not cover the news like a normal reporter; he made the news; more like a political agitator. Fox announced upcoming Democratic townhall meetings for the baggers to attend. Then they rallied these misfits into a bus trip around the country; which culminated in the 9/12 March on Washinton. No other news station provided the type of wall-to-wall coverage that Fox gave to such a fringe movement. So, when you consider the "totality of the circumstances" it is clear that Fox had a substantial interest in this movement. Clearly they cannot claim that they were simply reporting on an independent news story. If you buy that BS then I got a bridge for sale and just for you I'll even throw in the water underneath it.
    "the question is whether the people of the United States are to govern through representatives chosen by their unbiased suffrages or whether the money and power of a great corporation are to be secretly exerted to influence their judgment and control their decisions." Andrew Jackson

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