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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The "blaming America for the attacks" thing was irresponsible and sickening spin on the part of the media. A lot of which was perpetrated by Fox News. That's one of the things I was referencing when I brought up Hannity after the first primary debate.

    And he didn't support the truthers. His contention was that the incident needs to be looked at, investigated, and reported truthfully and in total to the People.

    This seems to me to be excuse making for the good Dr. If the 'truthers' were just attaching themselves with no real willingness from Dr. Paul to embrace them, then why did he attend so many events on campuses put on by them?


    No, Paul embraces to the letter the sentiment of America not getting entangled in overseas squabbles, and there is merit to that, but his mistake was in thinking that any following was better than being froze out as a third party nutjob. He just picked wrong.


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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Censorship through omission


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    Can you explain which part of the 1st amendment the government violates by not giving FOX an interview?

    This is the second time I ask. Here is the text of the first amendment :

    LII: Constitution

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    What law has Congress created abridging the freedom of speech? What law did Congress make abridging the freedom of the press when the White House denied an interview?(This should be good!)
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you explain which part of the 1st amendment the government violates by not giving FOX an interview?

    This is the second time I ask. Here is the text of the first amendment :

    LII: Constitution



    What law has Congress created abridging the freedom of speech? What law did Congress make abridging the freedom of the press when the White House denied an interview?(This should be good!)

    OMG! It is right there in black and white....

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you explain which part of the 1st amendment the government violates by not giving FOX an interview?

    This is the second time I ask. Here is the text of the first amendment :

    LII: Constitution



    What law has Congress created abridging the freedom of speech? What law did Congress make abridging the freedom of the press when the White House denied an interview?(This should be good!)
    I don't think they are necessarily violating it. However, I don't think it's disputable that they aren't showing good faith in upholding the first amendment.

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh geez......nice talking points once again. what white house occupant doesn't try to shape the media? jeff gannon sound familiar?
    Talking points….right. Yet you say nothing to refute anything I said. Nice ad hominen..once again.

    Of course every politician attempts to control the media, but I don't remember Bush, Rove, or Cheney deliberating trying to deny CNN access to interviews, or calling them everyday by name.


    Please don't try the counter of "Well, CNN and MSNBC weren't bashing Bush the way Fox is bashing Obama.."

    I approached this in a non-partisan way, highlighting the fact that it is scary the approaches being taken by this administration to limit the press..
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think they are necessarily violating it. However, I don't think it's disputable that they aren't showing good faith in upholding the first amendment.
    And fox news is showing good faith?

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't think they are necessarily violating it. However, I don't think it's disputable that they aren't showing good faith in upholding the first amendment.
    They aren't violating it. They denied an interview. Do you think it's a violation of your first amendment whenever somebody refuses to speak to you?

    I'm Just a little annoyed by the hyperbolic. I mean these are the same people who didn't have a problem with 'Free-Speech zones' coming here screaming about the outrageous violation of FOX News a clearly right wing news entity being denied an interview.

    How many interviews did Bush officials deny to MSNBC because it was clearly biased against their administration? Bush wouldn't give an interview to people who called him a racist, moron, torture proponent etc. So why would Obama give one to people who treat him with disrespect?

    The government regardless of the party in office has always at it's own discretion exercised it's right to free speech(which includes the right to deny interviews) since the days of Washington.

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And fox news is showing good faith?
    FOX News doesn't have a hand in governing my life. The White House does. I expect a little more from them.

    And you're also presupposing I have an issue with FOX News. I don't.

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    They aren't violating it. They denied an interview. Do you think it's a violation of your first amendment whenever somebody refuses to speak to you?
    Totally disingenuous. FOX News isn't "anyone", they are a news outlet and a major one at that. The White House isn't me. It is the executive branch of a government that is installed by the people. It has an obligation to answer to those people by being accessible.

    I'm Just a little annoyed by the hyperbolic. I mean these are the same people who didn't have a problem with 'Free-Speech zones' coming here screaming about the outrageous violation of FOX News a clearly right wing news entity being denied an interview.
    I don't know of anyone on this board who DIDN'T have a problem with the whole "free speech zone" issue. I know I did...I had a major problem with it and nearly everyone I interacted with here had a problem.

    How many interviews did Bush officials deny to MSNBC because it was clearly biased against their administration? Bush wouldn't give an interview to people who called him a racist, moron, torture proponent etc. So why would Obama give one to people who treat him with disrespect?
    I don't recall a huge stink about Bush denying interviews to MSNBC.

    The government regardless of the party in office has always at it's own discretion exercised it's right to free speech(which includes the right to deny interviews) since the days of Washington.
    Free speech rights are extended to The People to protect them from the State. There is no reverse extension of those rights to The State. The State doesn't have freedom of speech which would include freedom of censorship by ommission.

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    Thanks. It's pretty festive, I think.

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh geez......nice talking points once again. what white house occupant doesn't try to shape the media? jeff gannon sound familiar?
    Well, to be honest your post also is out of rules for radicals... you don't address the post or it's content you ridicule it by dismissing it "talking points" and therefore inferring irrelevance.


    --- "Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage." -- Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.

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