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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm definitely not a fan of Fox. But I don't believe it proper for the government to ban certain media outlets just because they won't be friendly with them. I don't necessarily think the press should be "friendly" with the government. The press needs to aggressively question the government and report their findings to the People so we can better control the government. It doesn't necessarily work that way now, but that's what I believe should be the standard. As such, I don't think it proper for the government to deny access of a news agency due to political reasons. It highlights why exactly we need a free press.
    But lets consider the Fox New's integrity. Would you support a news station that was as disingenuous as Fox? Not me.....

    I have nothing against criticizing Obama. But when that is all they do, how are they objectively reporting the news?
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Regardless of your opinion of Fox News the recent rhetoric coming out of the White House is indeed scary and has the potential to start down a very slippery slope.

    Obama is using tactics straight out of Alinky's 'Rules for Radicals'.

    Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

    and most particular to the current situation:

    Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

    I don't know how anyone can't say that what he has done in recent months with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh doesn't sound eerily similar to that. He is effectively trying to limit all meaningful public opposition to him.

    Think for a second the scope that Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have. Again, put your personal opinions of the two aside. Now, lets say he were to marginalize Fox to the point of irrelevancy. For example, they lose sponsors, lose interview privileges (as was currently just attempted) etc .. Currently Fox is the only major news network that offers any type of counter-argument to many of Obama's policies. Albeit there is some bias, but show me a news network where they isn't

    As if the fact that all the networks are owned by 5 corporations isn't scary enough, we now have a White House who is attempting to shape the media to suit him.

    Why would they go through all this trouble in trying to sweep Rush and Fox News aside?
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The First Amendment was not infringed upon. The White House has the right to refuse any news agency. It lost this battle because the five main media networks banded together and threatened to not report at all.

    Nice try though.
    You should probably check out the concept of "chilling effect" as it relates to 1A jurisprudence.
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    But lets consider the Fox New's integrity. Would you support a news station that was as disingenuous as Fox? Not me.....

    I have nothing against criticizing Obama. But when that is all they do, how are they objectively reporting the news?
    I don't know in general how much objectivity is left in the main press. So it's hard to go after one without blasting others. I agree that the press needs to be objective and truthful in their reporting. Some of the shows on Fox News are IQ dropping, partisan drivel.

    Still I have more problem with the government trying to control or influence it through access privileges to the WH.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    This idea that Fox is somehow more "disingenuous" than MSNBC or CNN is baffling to me. MSNBC has Ed Schultz screaming that Republicans want to see you dead, Matthews with tingles up his leg and pledging to make the Obama Administration successful, and, well, Olbermann and Maddow . . . CNN fact-checking SNL sketches and refusing to back off from false Limbaugh quotes, and Anderson Cooper coining the term "Teabaggers" for the Tea Parties. Never mind places like ABC which ran an hour-long infomercial on the health care plan, CBS which ran a story on Bush with falsified documents and Rather still refusing to recant, etc., etc.

    They all have an exceptional bias. You people who scream about Fox and exempt the others simply don't like which way Fox leans.
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post

    Still I have more problem with the government trying to control or influence it through access privileges to the WH.
    As do I. But.... The only reason Fox is even in the "running" so to say, is due to their viewer base, and not on the quality of which they report the news. They are shady, and agenda driven, and therefore IMHO should not have a place in the WH reporting the news. Therefore i have no objection to the WH being the least bit skeptical.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This idea that Fox is somehow more "disingenuous" than MSNBC or CNN is baffling to me. MSNBC has Ed Schultz screaming that Republicans want to see you dead, Matthews with tingles up his leg and pledging to make the Obama Administration successful, and, well, Olbermann and Maddow . . . CNN fact-checking SNL sketches and refusing to back off from false Limbaugh quotes, and Anderson Cooper coining the term "Teabaggers" for the Tea Parties. Never mind places like ABC which ran an hour-long infomercial on the health care plan, CBS which ran a story on Bush with falsified documents and Rather still refusing to recant, etc., etc.

    They all have an exceptional bias. You people who scream about Fox and exempt the others simply don't like which way Fox leans.
    You might have a point if you could enlighten us as to why they treated Ron Paul, a member of the GOP? Because he was against the war? Now government needs to be contained? Please....
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You might have a point if you could enlighten us as to why they treated Ron Paul, a member of the GOP? Because he was against the war? Now government needs to be contained? Please....
    Nice try, but it doesn't address what I said. It just bashes Fox more.
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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    Regardless of your opinion of Fox News the recent rhetoric coming out of the White House is indeed scary and has the potential to start down a very slippery slope.

    Obama is using tactics straight out of Alinky's 'Rules for Radicals'.

    Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)

    and most particular to the current situation:

    Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

    I don't know how anyone can't say that what he has done in recent months with Fox News and Rush Limbaugh doesn't sound eerily similar to that. He is effectively trying to limit all meaningful public opposition to him.

    Think for a second the scope that Rush Limbaugh and Fox News have. Again, put your personal opinions of the two aside. Now, lets say he were to marginalize Fox to the point of irrelevancy. For example, they lose sponsors, lose interview privileges (as was currently just attempted) etc .. Currently Fox is the only major news network that offers any type of counter-argument to many of Obama's policies. Albeit there is some bias, but show me a news network where they isn't

    As if the fact that all the networks are owned by 5 corporations isn't scary enough, we now have a White House who is attempting to shape the media to suit him.

    Why would they go through all this trouble in trying to sweep Rush and Fox News aside?
    oh geez......nice talking points once again. what white house occupant doesn't try to shape the media? jeff gannon sound familiar?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: White House Loses Bid to Exclude Fox News From Pay Czar Interview

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    But lets consider the Fox New's integrity. Would you support a news station that was as disingenuous as Fox? Not me.....

    I have nothing against criticizing Obama. But when that is all they do, how are they objectively reporting the news?
    So you don't watch cable news channels at all?

    Name a cable news channel that is not decidedly partisan. It can't be done in the current context.

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