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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Not to mention our government has helped put us here. I read an artical recently that showed how many providers lobbied state governments to give them loans and tax breaks to build infrastructure and provide service. In some cases the goverment even made deals that will not allow competition in for so many years.
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

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    I guess you figure the govt has more right than you, dontcha?
    ???? Tongue in cheek?
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    We have a perfect example of the "government progression" right now. The Big Exec pay limiting going on. First it's we are going to limit the pay of the bail out companies. Everyone (mostly) rallies around this idea because either they are "Fat Cats" that caused this mess, They are rich so the Libs hate them ( this means joke okay don't attack me..) or they were stupid to take the money and it serves them right. Then almost immediately they progress to "We need to look at limiting the pay for all institutions that could affect the economy".

    Now, GOVCO currently claims "Net Neutrality" as providing an equal playing field.

    How long before a tax has to be levied to provide for the staff to maintain this "level playing field"?

    Then how are they going to enforce this "level playing field"? Surely monitoring will be needed, just to make sure everyone is complying.

    Then how long before it's determined that the downloading of illegal music really uses up too much bandwidth for illicit purposes so any file with the MP3 extension (or equivalent) has to be blocked? Except from "approved" sources like big corporate I-Tunes, M$, Wally World. I mean it's just to protect the law abiding citizen you know.

    Then how long till we need a whole new Cabinet and law enforcement division to deal with these things? (With the associated tax of course)

    Nah. I don't like it one bit.
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    The internet was created on a level playing field. That is the point of the internet, you have the same bandwidth and tools as the big guys to say what you want, when you want it. Net Neutrality is just protecting that freedom, it's protecting the ideals of the internet.

    This is the good kind of regulation. The regulation to ensure our freedoms, and the ideals that the internet stands for.

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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis
    I read an artical recently that showed how many providers lobbied state governments to give them loans and tax breaks to build infrastructure and provide service.
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    The internet was created on a level playing field. That is the point of the internet, you have the same bandwidth and tools as the big guys to say what you want, when you want it. Net Neutrality is just protecting that freedom, it's protecting the ideals of the internet.

    This is the good kind of regulation. The regulation to ensure our freedoms, and the ideals that the internet stands for.
    COMMUNICATIONS ACT OF 1934
    TITLE I--GENERAL PROVISIONS
    SEC. 1. [47 U.S.C. 151] PURPOSES OF ACT, CREATION OF FEDERAL
    COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION.
    For the purpose of regulating interstate and foreign commerce in communication by wire and radio so as to make available, so far as possible, to all the people of the United States, without discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, or sex, a rapid, efficient, Nationwide, and world-wide wire and radio communication service with adequate facilities at reasonable charges,....................
    This is an except from the act that created the F.C.C.
    So very similar to the type of thing they are pushing for the Internet.
    Who wants the net to become regulated in the manner of T.V. and Radio?
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Kinda ironic that a man with next to non computer skills introduces a bill on it.. not to mention one that has received tons of money from the telecommunications industry who are against any melding in their monopolistic market. Yet again we have a Republican putting forward legislation to defend bad practices in an industry that are hurting the consumer.... ahh the irony.
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Kinda ironic that a man with next to non computer skills introduces a bill on it.. not to mention one that has received tons of money from the telecommunications industry who are against any melding in their monopolistic market. Yet again we have a Republican putting forward legislation to defend bad practices in an industry that are hurting the consumer.... ahh the irony.

    Well - instead of them passing Net Neutrality which isn't *just* to *help the people out* perhaps they should consider regulating what the industry can and cannot do - on our behalf.
    They should do this more often then they seem to favor passing bills and amendments.

    This is the thing about legislation:

    If it can be passed then anything can be added to it.
    If an added on *thing* is not germane (realted to the purpose of the bill) then it is called a rider.
    If a bill has a lot of riders then it is often called a "Christmass Tree."
    If a bill has a lot of constituent-pleasers then those things are called "pork" and the bill is considered "pork barreling"

    In the case of net neutrality the true "issue" at the center is no big deal: companies are affecting our use of their service because of their solicited bias from others.

    This in itself is not what most people have issues with - it's the other junk that is already in the bill or might get put into the bill.
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I'd prefer, however, that they just allow companies to compete with one another on an even playing field. Dunno why they don't do that.
    Because companies don't compete fair when they don't have to. There are tops 6 real internet providers in all of the continental U.S. - and when I say 'real' I mean with any significant market share. We do not have a market when it comes to the internet in the U.S. - we have a cartel of internet providers. Just like there is no oil market. There is a cartel of oil producing countries(OPEC).
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    Re: McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Because companies don't compete fair when they don't have to. There are tops 6 real internet providers in all of the continental U.S. - and when I say 'real' I mean with any significant market share. We do not have a market when it comes to the internet in the U.S. - we have a cartel of internet providers. Just like there is no oil market. There is a cartel of oil producing countries(OPEC).
    They don't compete at all. You're trying to tell me that they don't WANT to? That they actually want to allow other companies to have monopolies and force them out of servicing certain areas? That makes no sense.

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