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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    ....No....
    Obviously, we can't just up-n-pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

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    Hows many troops do we still have there? Have we left yet?
    Would you say Germany has a stable democracy? How many troops do we still have there?

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

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    Obviously, we can't just up-n-pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.
    Obviously?.....Is that a fact or your opinion? (obviously chocolate ice cream tastes better than strawberry)

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Isn't that what is happening?
    Not on the level that--in my opinion--needs to take place. I'm talking about American firepower combined with Paki intel on the enemy. So far, all we're doing is flying drone missions to attack point targets.
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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

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    Would you say Germany has a stable democracy? How many troops do we still have there?
    Don't have much time now but comparing Germany to Iraq or Afghanistan is apples to oranges.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Don't have much time now but comparing Germany to Iraq or Afghanistan is apples to oranges.
    Why? They are all nation building. How long did it take to bring a stable democracy to Germany? Did they have anti-occupation forces against us?

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Obviously?.....Is that a fact or your opinion? (obviously chocolate ice cream tastes better than strawberry)
    It's as obvious, as it was in Europe in 1945, that if we just up-n-leave, we'll only wind up going back in a few years and starting all over again. Every successful war we've fought has been followed by a post war occupation.

    John Pershing said the same thing after WW1 ended and it turned out that h was right.
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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Not on the level that--in my opinion--needs to take place. I'm talking about American firepower combined with Paki intel on the enemy. So far, all we're doing is flying drone missions to attack point targets.
    I think we're getting to the basic disagreement these things always boil down to:

    Is war strictly military or is it political.
    I think counterinsurgency wars are won or lost politically, not on any battlefield.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Please, get your chronology straight, if you're going to make claims. It didn't take 5 years for the '07 Offensive to launch. And, no one reccomended 600,000 troops...lol....where'd you get that from?
    An interesting read on Cheney's exact qualifications for making sound military judgments base on knowledgable people's recommendations. I recommend you read the entire article.

    Troop Levels in Stability Operations: What We Don't Know | World | AlterNet


    Troops Levels and Iraq
    Army Chief of Staff Eric Shinseki set off a firestorm when he told the Senate Armed Services committee before the invasion that "something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers" would be required to stabilize Iraq, a figure that began to approach 20 troops per 1,000 of the Iraqi population, the ratio that academics conventionally, if not universally, cite as necessary for successful stability operations. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld called this estimate "far off the mark," as did Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, who put the figure closer to 100,000 troops total for Iraq. As the war drags on, requiring orders of magnitude greater time, blood, and treasure than estimated by U.S. leadership, troop figures have become the foremost issue debated at all levels.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Why? They are all nation building. How long did it take to bring a stable democracy to Germany? Did they have anti-occupation forces against us?
    Germany had a long tradition of democracy & western culture. Totally apples to oranges compared to the ME.

    Nice discussion!

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