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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Kill the enemy, destroy as much of his combat power as possible, with as little collateral damage as possible. Constantly seek out and destroy the enemy on his own turf; an offensive strategy is always the best. The Confederate army employed a defensive strategy and look what happened to them.

    People talk about the, "winning strategy", as if there are an infinite number of strategies to choose from, and there isn't. You can employ an offensive strategy; static, or mobile. Or, you can employ a defensive strategy; static, or mobile.

    Yeah, the political scene in country has to whipped into shaped, but that will never happen before the enemy is beat down and that has to happen, before you can start getting the political scene shaped up. We learned that in Iraq; once conditions on the battlefield improved, the political situation improved almost exponentially.
    Two points:

    1 - his combat power - the combat power of the enemy is people. They have AKs, some machine guns, RPGs, and explosives. There are no planes, tanks, howitzers, fuel trucks, etc. You have to kill the right people. This means intelligence. Not SIGINT, but HUMINT, and the only way to get that is through the local population. The only way the locals feel secure enough to tell you is if you secure the population. Classic counterinsurgency. More troops can help with this.

    2 - Constantly seek out and destroy the enemy on his own turf - the reality is that the enemy has sanctuaries in Pakistan. How do we eliminate the sanctuaries? Critical to success. More troops does NOT help this situation. So how do we deal with these?

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    None of this invalidates what he said.
    Is what he said based on his past experiences?

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ultimately, that is the only way to win a war.
    You win a war by eliminating your opponent's ability to make war agianst you.
    This means the destruction of his physical infrastructure and his will to fight.

    Kill people and break things sums it up perfectly.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Ah....But finding THEM & identifying THEM is always the problem when fighting shadows who kill by exploding roadside bombs.

    Large standing armies is not the way to win these type of wars.
    The enemy can't win fighting from the shadows trying to kill by exploding roadside bombs.
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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Is what he said based on his past experiences?
    Who? Reverend?
    Yes.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    None of this invalidates what he said.
    I never said it did....I just say it's impossible to kill the enemy if we don't know who they are...or where they are. (we're fighting shadows with Abrams(sp) tanks.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You win a war by eliminating your opponent's ability to make war agianst you.
    This means the destruction of his physical infrastructure and his will to fight.

    Kill people and break things sums it up perfectly.
    And a fine job Cheney did of that in Iraq...while leaving the Nations problems in Afghanistan behind..

    The old fool needs to go into a resthome.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Funny, then, that I never see any protests calling for the Taliban to be tried for war crimes.
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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I never said it did....I just say it's impossible to kill the enemy if we don't know who they are...or where they are.
    So... you find them and kill him.
    That it might not be easy doesnt change anything other than the effort necessary.

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    Re: Cheney: Stop ‘dithering’ on Afghanistan troops

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    And a fine job Cheney did of that in Iraq...while leaving the Nations problems in Afghanistan behind..

    The old fool needs to go into a resthome.
    Still waitng for your response:

    If Cheney is wrong, as you say, then, according to you:

    -Signals of indecision out of Washington do NOT hurt our allies and do NOT embolden our adversaries

    -The White House does NOT need to stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger

    -It is NOT time for President Obama to do what it takes to win a war he has repeatedly and rightly called a war of necessity.

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