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    U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    I wonder if calling it a "New High" was intentional....

    U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    PRINCETON, NJ -- Gallup's October Crime poll finds 44% of Americans in favor of making marijuana legal and 54% opposed. U.S. public support for legalizing marijuana was fixed in the 25% range from the late 1970s to the mid-1990s, but acceptance jumped to 31% in 2000 and has continued to grow throughout this decade.


    It's jumped 19% in just 14 years, and 8% in just the last 4 years. Support is growing fast, and it's growing faster all the time.

    Gallup also finds a generational rift on the issue, as 50% of those under 50 and 45% of those 50 to 64 say it should be legal, compared with 28% of seniors.
    I still have mixed feelings about legalizing marijuana (more based on emotion than based on facts), but my feeling is, regardless of whether you want all drugs legalized (which I am against), weed, like alcohol during prohibition, is simply too widely used today to be labeled criminal.

    The question that remains is: when a majority of Americans support legalization- and at the rate we're going, it looks like that will happen pretty soon- will it be of small quantities, or all-out legalization?
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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Our past three Presidents have admitted to using marijuana. Does anybody think they deserved to go to jail for it?

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    The question that remains is: when a majority of Americans support legalization- and at the rate we're going, it looks like that will happen pretty soon- will it be of small quantities, or all-out legalization?
    Although a good sign, and the latest polls is of no surprise, this does not mean federal legalization is just around the corner.

    decriminalization is the likely first step, but I fear that it is doomed to an abysmal failure since it does not address the big problem of black market distribution.

    Legalization with regulation is the way to go, anything else is half measures, and concession.

    Unfortunately, do not count on this occurring through congress, since half measures and concession are the status quo, and our representatives will represent lobbying interests over public interests.

    Legalization's most likely path is through a handful of states making it legal under state law, while federal law will continue to comply with The Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, and its sister international prohibition treaties.

    The Single Convention does not allow legalization period, which is why other countries such as Denmark and Portugal have decriminalized (distribution still remains illegal, but small possession is a civil infraction). This is the best they can under the treaty.

    There are 3 paths around the single convention

    1) the number of signatories of the treaty drops to below 20 from the current 180+ (If i remember the number to trigger revocationn of the treaty correctly) - until then any nation that does not comply with this treaty is subject to heavy handed sanctions -we tied our own hands here.

    2) There are constitutional limitations which preclude compliance with the treaty.

    3) new treaties are drafted that render this invalid

    I have posted this elsewhere on this forum, but there are 3 paths to legalization under the single convention, and none are easy paths.

    1) Renig on current international treaties that we heavy handed the world into signing on and accept the sanctions, or lead the world into drafting new treaties that invalidate the current ones (there is a large coalition of S. American countries that want to do this, and I am sure they will get more nations on board soon.. meanwhile we have been ignoring it.)

    2) Constitutional Amendment

    3) States legalize it themselves, and win supreme court fights over the interpretation of the commerce clause of the constitution (Montana is poised to challenge this and lay groundwork courtesy of their newly enacted gun sale laws).
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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    legalize and tax it, same as alcohol

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post

    I still have mixed feelings about legalizing marijuana (more based on emotion than based on facts), but my feeling is, regardless of whether you want all drugs legalized (which I am against), weed, like alcohol during prohibition, is simply too widely used today to be labeled criminal.
    Common sense is starting to sink in for you huh?? I seem to recall you being staunchly opposed to the notion of legalization of pot previously (and since you mention it.. I seem to recall that your opposition to the idea was emotional)

    We are making progress.. I won't try to get you to swallow the legalize it all pill yet
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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    3) States legalize it themselves, and win supreme court fights over the interpretation of the commerce clause of the constitution (Montana is poised to challenge this and lay groundwork courtesy of their newly enacted gun sale laws).
    Could you talk a little about wHat's the situation with Montana's gun sale laws and the commerce clause?

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    I would be curious to see a breakdown by State.

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I would be curious to see a breakdown by State.
    Of pot laws?

    State By State Laws - NORML

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by underdog334 View Post
    legalize and tax it, same as alcohol

    I'd like to see this. Unfortunately, in the profession I have, I can not have anything to do with it, although I see nothing wrong with it. I think at least pot should be the same as alcohol to obtain and use. Only problem we have is that there would have to be a test to measure inebriation at the point of driving offense. Other than that what is the problem?


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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Could you talk a little about wHat's the situation with Montana's gun sale laws and the commerce clause?
    Cliffnotes version is that the Montana says that if a gun is manufactured instate, and sold instate that the commerce clause does not apply, and the 10th amendment gives the power to Montana to enact their own laws.

    The law went into effect on Oct. 1, and suit was filed in federal court that same day.

    here.. just the first of many links after a google search.. it covers the basics:

    firearms, ammunition, and accessories manufactured entirely inside Montana are not subject to federal regulation, including background checks for buyers and record-keeping requirements for sellers.
    Montana Gun Suit Challenges Federal Authority - Taking Liberties - CBS News

    Also extended cliff notes courtesy of wikipedia:

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Firearms_Freedom_Act]Montana Firearms Freedom Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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