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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Cliffnotes version is that the Montana says that if a gun is manufactured instate, and sold instate that the commerce clause does not apply, and the 10th amendment gives the power to Montana to make enact their own laws.

    The law was enacted on Oct. 1, and suit was filed in federal court that same day.
    Thanks for the links. I seem to recall the 10th Amendment. One of your links states it is hardly used anymore.

    What do you think the odds of them winning the suit are?

    It seems like the fastest of your three courses to legalization. A Constitutional Amendment would be heavy going. How did so many treaties get passed in an anti-drug fervor?

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I have posted this elsewhere on this forum, but there are 3 paths to legalization under the single convention, and none are easy paths.

    I have never heard any of this before ... thx for posting it, marduc

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    Our past three Presidents have admitted to using marijuana. Does anybody think they deserved to go to jail for it?
    Not for smoking pot no, maybe for other things though.
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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Thanks for the links. I seem to recall the 10th Amendment. One of your links states it is hardly used anymore.

    What do you think the odds of them winning the suit are?
    I don't know the odds of them winning, its a legitimate challenge, but precedent is not in their favor. Gonzales V. Reich will be revisited (highly suggest you look at that case, esp. the Clarence Thomas dissension), and basically assures this case a path to the Supreme Court since lower court judgments will rely on that precedent.

    If I were to put a bet on it, I would give it about a 35% chance of winning. win or lose it will draw public attention to what is now basically unchecked federal latitude in establishing federal law over states under the commerce clause.

    At least it is a good initial opening salvo (from a conservative state and a conservative cause) for when more liberal states such as Ca, and Mass. pass legislation legalizing possession of marijuana and challenge states rights themselves.

    Even if it does not win in the supreme court it wins in the court of public opinion.

    It seems like the fastest of your three courses to legalization. A Constitutional Amendment would be heavy going. How did so many treaties get passed in an anti-drug fervor?
    Currently 3 treaties, and as you correctly worded it the latter 2 do directly coincide with an anti-drug fervor here in the U.S.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs]Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] - enacted 1961 and is the foundation of drug laws across the world the other 2 are supplemental treaties to this one.

    This is what established the drug scheduling process that we also incorporated into our Controlled Substances act, and where cannabis due to the wording of the treaty (at US insistence) gets irrevocably classified as a schedule I drug.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs]Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] - enacted in 1971 to address the sudden emergence of widespread use of a multitude of new drugs not covered by the single convention (notably hallucinogenics such as LSD)

    This sets the procedure to add and classify new drugs in the scheduling scheme.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocol_Amending_the_Single_Convention_on_Narcoti c_Drugs]Protocol Amending the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] -this occurred in 1972, not really a treaty itself, just amendments to the Single Convention

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Convention_Against_Illicit_Traffic_ in_Narcotic_Drugs_and_Psychotropic_Substances]United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame] -enacted 1988 this is to combat illicit international trade in controlled substances and gave great latitude and leeway in what can be done to disrupt this trade.

    You can thank this treaty for our 20 year long crusade trying to stamp out drug traffickers in Columbia as well as in many other less publicized locales.


    The U.S had a very heavy hand in enacting these treaties.. especially of note is the dates of the second 2.

    One coincides with the start of our drug war (1971), and another a massive escalation of that war which continues to this day. (1988).
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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    I don't know the odds of them winning, its a legitimate challenge, but precedent is not in their favor. Gonzales V. Reich will be revisited (highly suggest you look at that case, esp. the Clarence Thomas dissension), and basically assures this case a path to the Supreme Court since lower court judgments will rely on that precedent.

    If I were to put a bet on it, I would give it about a 35% chance of winning. win or lose it will draw public attention to what is now basically unchecked federal latitude in establishing federal law over states under the commerce clause.

    At least it is a good initial opening salvo (from a conservative state and a conservative cause) for when more liberal states such as Ca, and Mass. pass legislation legalizing possession of marijuana and challenge states rights themselves.

    Even if it does not win in the supreme court it wins in the court of public opinion.



    Currently 3 treaties, and as you correctly worded it the latter 2 do directly coincide with an anti-drug fervor here in the U.S.
    Thanks!

    I found the Clarence Thomas' dissent of Gonzales V. Reich: GONZALES V. RAICH

    I only made it partway through. I can dig what he was saying though. This is really depressing.

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    It's jumped 19% in just 14 years, and 8% in just the last 4 years. Support is growing fast, and it's growing faster all the time.

    I still have mixed feelings about legalizing marijuana (more based on emotion than based on facts), but my feeling is, regardless of whether you want all drugs legalized (which I am against), weed, like alcohol during prohibition, is simply too widely used today to be labeled criminal.

    The question that remains is: when a majority of Americans support legalization- and at the rate we're going, it looks like that will happen pretty soon- will it be of small quantities, or all-out legalization?
    I can see us going the way of Mexico eventually. I see no good reason to keep it illegal.

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    My high for marijuana support has been reached right now. Wha?
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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Who's holding? I want some...

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Who's holding? I want some...
    *cough* here ya go dude

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    Re: U.S. Support for Legalizing Marijuana Reaches New High

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    *cough* here ya go dude
    sweet bud. Gracias.

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