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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it's a lame ass argument. Criminal justice is the government's responsibility. The whole reason for having a criminal justice system is for the sake of public safety.
    It's to uphold and protect the rights and liberties of the People. You still can't form coherent argument against the point.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allow fewer appeals, execute them sooner.
    So expedite all the problems with the system. yeah...that's an intelligent solution.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's to uphold and protect the rights and liberties of the People.
    That's right. It's they're job to protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A citizen can't do all that with a buncha murderers and thieves running amuck.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    The following paragraph says it all:



    Of course, Mr. Willingham was executed, and the shutting down of the investigation has all the earmarks of another Rick Perry cover up. Said Kay Bailey Hutchinson, who is running against Perry in the Republican primary:



    What Perry did was unconscionable, and I sincerely hope that Hutchinson wins in a landslide. Perry needs to go. His Socialist agenda has hurt Texas, and his cover up here is only the final straw.

    Article is here.
    You know, dana, the only way that the death penalty can remain legitimate is if there is total transparency to the process and a strict adherence to the facts and code of justice.

    It looks like what Perry did was criminal in nature.

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's right. It's they're job to protect our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. A citizen can't do all that with a buncha murderers and thieves running amuck.
    Exactly. Which is why we have the court system. And the court system is built upon the State proving its point. The State is restricted so it can't go overboard and jail and execute whomever they want. The State has to prove the case. Because we put emphasis on the State, because we're innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; guilty people will sometimes walk. It's inherent to a system designed to protect the rights and liberties of the individual. The biggest threat to our rights and liberties isn't some murderers here and there, it's the State itself. The government is the problem, the govenrment must be restricted. While we need some amount of courts and police to ensure the free practice of our rights and liberties, the process must necessarily be constrained to prevent bad government.

    So where to we err at? On the People or on the State? One promotes freedom (free is dangerous afterall). The other promotes fascism.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You know, dana, the only way that the death penalty can remain legitimate is if there is total transparency to the process and a strict adherence to the facts and code of justice.

    It looks like what Perry did was criminal in nature.
    It's an interesting point. But in America, politicians are never held accountable for their actions. So unfortunately, nothing will come of it. But if we are to have the death penalty (I personally disagree with the death penalty), then it must be an extremely restrictive and transparent system. Any time we authorize the government to kill its own citizens, it must do so under only very very specific circumstances. If we must have the death penalty, I propose that people endorse the Colorado method. Which is so expensive and restrictive and requiring MUCH more evidence that it is rarely pursued for anything but the most heinous of crimes.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's an interesting point. But in America, politicians are never held accountable for their actions. So unfortunately, nothing will come of it. But if we are to have the death penalty (I personally disagree with the death penalty), then it must be an extremely restrictive and transparent system. Any time we authorize the government to kill its own citizens, it must do so under only very very specific circumstances. If we must have the death penalty, I propose that people endorse the Colorado method. Which is so expensive and restrictive and requiring MUCH more evidence that it is rarely pursued for anything but the most heinous of crimes.
    I agree with that last statement...it should require irrefutable evidence. As in...weapon, body, remorseless confession, eye witnesses, and DNA. All verified through multiple parties.

    It seems to me that with Perry's case, if the man used the justice system to murder (unlawfully kill) another man, then he should be subject to murder charges himself.

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I agree with that last statement...it should require irrefutable evidence. As in...weapon, body, remorseless confession, eye witnesses, and DNA. All verified through multiple parties.

    It seems to me that with Perry's case, if the man used the justice system to murder (unlawfully kill) another man, then he should be subject to murder charges himself.
    It is the forensic evidence that doesn't match up according to what I have been reading in the papers here.

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I agree with that last statement...it should require irrefutable evidence. As in...weapon, body, remorseless confession, eye witnesses, and DNA. All verified through multiple parties.
    I personally would just nix the death penalty. But yes, if you can provide overwhelming evidence and the crime was so terrible, as long as the process is restrictive enough to make sure the government has to do its job properly it's better.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It seems to me that with Perry's case, if the man used the justice system to murder (unlawfully kill) another man, then he should be subject to murder charges himself.
    I think this is reasonable. And using government power to kill innocent people for political reasons....that's maybe heinous enough to warrant the death penalty.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    It is the forensic evidence that doesn't match up according to what I have been reading in the papers here.
    Then the execution should have been put on hold pending further investigation. Now, investigation should be made into Perry to determine if it was negligence, bad judgment, or hubris influenced him to do the opposite.

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