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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    And who are my pards, pray tell? LOL.

    And nobody has to question your reading ability. You have done that all on your own, without any help from anybody else.

    EDIT: And let me add THIS, from the article.



    I think that pretty much puts this hilarious episode in perspective. LOL. That is, unless you still want to continue to insist that Perry denied the reprive in 1991. LMAO.
    What part of, "Questions about whether Gov. Rick Perry allowed the execution of a man some arson experts say may have been innocent", from the article, do you not understand?
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What part of, "Questions about whether Gov. Rick Perry allowed the execution of a man some arson experts say may have been innocent", from the article, do you not understand?
    Yes, people are questioning whether Perry Allowed an innocent man to die, by rejecting his reprieve. DUH!!

    Like I said, reading is fundamental. LOL.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    On the other hand, we must have rules governing our justice system, and those rules must be followed.
    That's right -- and, usually, they are.

    This is so that when people are convicted of a crime, they have been given every benefit of the doubt, based on the presmise that they are innocent until proven guilty.

    That said, once every benefit of the doubt has been given, and the burden of proof met, and then the guilty party has gone thru his string of appeals, legitimate concern that 'he might still be innocent' is, at best, nanoscopic.

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, people are questioning whether Perry Allowed an innocent man to die, by rejecting his reprieve. DUH!!

    Like I said, reading is fundamental. LOL.
    Ok, my bad. I thought Willingham was executed back in the 90's. I researched it and found out he was executed in 2004. Wait, 2004? The Commission wasn't created until 2005. Gee!
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    LMAO...that's a lame argument. I expected better from you, bro.
    Basically your dismissal says you can't argue with it.

    In the absence of perfection, we must accept mistakes somewhere in the line. You either err on the side of the People or on the State. In this country, founded on the rights and liberties of the individual, we have elected (rightfully I must add) to err on the side of the individual. The State must prove the case and do so properly. If they can't, it's their failure. If someone walked on a technicality, it sucks but man up. We're going to get a failure mode somewhere, it's impossible to make a perfect system. Either guilty people go free or innocent people get killed. I'll take the guilty going free. The State must provide a case, the State must prove its assertions. If a guy walks, he does so because the State couldn't construct enough of a case to soundly get a conviction.

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, my bad. I thought Willingham was executed back in the 90's. I researched it and found out he was executed in 2004. Wait, 2004? The Commission wasn't created until 2005. Gee!
    There ya' go. And thanks. I will now take back all the insults I have been throwing at you. Actually, I have to. I have had many an obtuse moment myself at DP. LOL.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, they get to appeal for 25+ years. If they can't prove a wrongful conviction by then, it's time to light'em up.
    The process costs more than just jailing him for life. And comes with less problems (jailing for life, not executing).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Basically your dismissal says you can't argue with it.

    In the absence of perfection, we must accept mistakes somewhere in the line. You either err on the side of the People or on the State. In this country, founded on the rights and liberties of the individual, we have elected (rightfully I must add) to err on the side of the individual. The State must prove the case and do so properly. If they can't, it's their failure. If someone walked on a technicality, it sucks but man up. We're going to get a failure mode somewhere, it's impossible to make a perfect system. Either guilty people go free or innocent people get killed. I'll take the guilty going free. The State must provide a case, the State must prove its assertions. If a guy walks, he does so because the State couldn't construct enough of a case to soundly get a conviction.

    It's called freedom, deal with it.

    No, it's a lame ass argument. Criminal justice is the government's responsibility. The whole reason for having a criminal justice system is for the sake of public safety.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The process costs more than just jailing him for life. And comes with less problems (jailing for life, not executing).
    Allow fewer appeals, execute them sooner.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    There ya' go. And thanks. I will now take back all the insults I have been throwing at you. Actually, I have to. I have had many an obtuse moment myself at DP. LOL.
    Thank you and you're welcome.
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