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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The State Forensics Commission was created in '05, by the state legislature. The article makes it sound as if Beyer was saying all this back in '91. This is all after the fact.
    No it doesn't say that at all. The article clearly states that Beyer was about to testify, when Perry shut down the investigation.

    But there is more. From the itinerary of the Forensics commission itself.

    WILLIS/WILLINGHAM INVESTIGATION, Case # 0901 (Bassett, et.al.)

    Review and discussion of final report received from Dr. Beyler
    Dr. Beyler – Q. and A. Session with Commission Members
    Draft specific language on type of response requested from Fire Marshall
    Other agency/office responses to solicit, if any
    Decisions regarding next steps in case
    Public Information Act Issues
    Assignment of duties for development of Commission’s case report
    This hearing had been scheduled for October 2, 2009. This was the hearing that Perry interfered with and shut down.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

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    If someone rapes your kids, chops them up into little pieces, admits to it, then walks on some BS technicality, are you OK with that. See the clap-trap'ness of your question?
    Yes, I would be ok with it. That situation to work out would be low probability. If it worked out that way, something had to be very wrong with the trial, especially if you had a confession. As a parent i wouldn't be ok with it, but as far as the justice system is concerned I'd rather that case then indiscriminate jailing and killing by the State.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yeah it is. Because of what you'd have to do to the system to make it that the murderer wouldn't "walk" ona technicality. You'd make it horribly oppressive and dangerous. The system was designed to err on the side of the individual, not the State. And I believe that is where we should keep it.

    That's nice and neat and idealistically cute, but what about the rights of the victim when that admitted murderer re-offends?

    How many people lose their lives to criminals who re-offend, compared to people who have been wrongfully convicted and executed?
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's nice and neat and idealistically cute, but what about the rights of the victim when that admitted murderer re-offends?

    How many people lose their lives to criminals who re-offend, compared to people who have been wrongfully convicted and executed?
    On the other hand, we must have rules governing our justice system, and those rules must be followed.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No it doesn't say that at all. The article clearly states that Beyer was about to testify, when Perry shut down the investigation.

    But there is more. From the itinerary of the Forensics commission itself.



    This hearing had been scheduled for October 2, 2009. This was the hearing that Perry interfered with and shut down.
    That's my point. The article makes it sound as if the testimony was to be heard in '91, prior to Willingham's execution.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's nice and neat and idealistically cute, but what about the rights of the victim when that admitted murderer re-offends?
    Carry a gun. WTF do you want? Do I have to hold your hand and lead you through every conceivable circumstance? Why can't people deal with **** these days. Whine and cry all the time, please government save me! The police will have to do a better job next time, that's it. The fault is on the State for not having built a better prosecution.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's my point. The article makes it sound as if the testimony was to be heard in '91, prior to Willingham's execution.
    No it doesn't. What planet are you from? Perry was not governor in 1991. Jeez.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

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    On the other hand, we must have rules governing our justice system, and those rules must be followed.
    That's right and when a jury finds someone guilty, then decides that that person needs to be executed, we can't just second guess them at every turn. Those are the rules.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's right and when a jury finds someone guilty, then decides that that person needs to be executed, we can't just second guess them at every turn. Those are the rules.
    The person gets chance to appeal, that's for damned sure. Especially if their life is on the line.
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    Re: Controversy Builds in Texas Over an Execution

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's right and when a jury finds someone guilty, then decides that that person needs to be executed, we can't just second guess them at every turn. Those are the rules.
    Not relevent what I was talking to. I was referring to people getting out on a technicality, like if the officer didn't have a warrent.
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