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    Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    I noticed no one had posted about Mayor Bloomberg's undercover investigation at Gun Shows across the country. After seeing the highly partisan way the Acorn "undercover investigation" was carried out I thought it would be nice to show how a real undercover investigation works. The premise: Private investigators were sent to gun shows in various states to buy guns from private dealers. The way the law works now is that private dealers do not have to run background checks at gunshows but if they feel that the person would not pass a background check they are obligated not to sell guns to the person. So the PIs bought guns under the premise that they would fail a background check. Now in the videos there are dealers who follow the law and those who don't.

    What they found is 35 out of the 47 dealers they approached, sold them arms illegally.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhgjLDeyNLQ"]YouTube - The Loophole: Private Sellers Who Arent Private[/ame]

    A dealer allowing a straw purchase (which is illegal)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fFv2oNRWYM"]YouTube - Illegal Sale #2: Allowing Illegal Straw Purchase[/ame]

    A dealer stopping a straw purchase (when someone buys a gun and has someone else fill out the paper work for them)
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgGaJvcMxM"]YouTube - Illegal Sale #2: Rejecting Illegal Straw Purchase[/ame]

    Several dealers ignoring the investigator saying he couldn't pass a background check
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJmpjpdcHN8"]YouTube - llegal Sale #1: Private Dealer Reactions[/ame]

    Dealer following the law and denying the purchase
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuqGY3gFROM"]YouTube - Illegal Sale #1: Seller Passes the Integrity Test[/ame]

    Dealer failing to follow the law
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_pdU-cvTw0"]YouTube - Illegal Sale #1: Sellers Fail the Integrity Test[/ame]

    Now this is what a real undercover investigation looks like. If the Acorn guy was interested in being honest he would release videos showing people who turned him away.

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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    It's sad that a criminal could get a gun this easily.
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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I noticed no one had posted about Mayor Bloomberg's undercover investigation at Gun Shows across the country. After seeing the highly partisan way the Acorn "undercover investigation" was carried out I thought it would be nice to show how a real undercover investigation works. The premise: Private investigators were sent to gun shows in various states to buy guns from private dealers. The way the law works now is that private dealers do not have to run background checks at gunshows but if they feel that the person would not pass a background check they are obligated not to sell guns to the person. So the PIs bought guns under the premise that they would fail a background check. Now in the videos there are dealers who follow the law and those who don't.

    What they found is 35 out of the 47 dealers they approached, sold them arms illegally.

    YouTube - The Loophole: Private Sellers Who Arent Private

    A dealer allowing a straw purchase (which is illegal)
    YouTube - Illegal Sale #2: Allowing Illegal Straw Purchase

    A dealer stopping a straw purchase (when someone buys a gun and has someone else fill out the paper work for them)
    YouTube - Illegal Sale #2: Rejecting Illegal Straw Purchase

    Several dealers ignoring the investigator saying he couldn't pass a background check
    YouTube - llegal Sale #1: Private Dealer Reactions

    Dealer following the law and denying the purchase
    YouTube - Illegal Sale #1: Seller Passes the Integrity Test

    Dealer failing to follow the law
    YouTube - Illegal Sale #1: Sellers Fail the Integrity Test

    Now this is what a real undercover investigation looks like. If the Acorn guy was interested in being honest he would release videos showing people who turned him away.
    For some reason I find hard to be appalled over individuals ignoring anti-2nd amendment laws,especially individuals who are not receiving tax payer funds.
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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    If in fact these were accurate (as depicted) the sellers are liable and should be prosecuted as they are clearly subverting the laws. So are they being prosecuted?

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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's sad that a criminal could get a gun this easily.
    Damn who would have thought that anti-2nd amendment laws do not deter law breakers? Criminals not obeying laws say it ain't so.
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    They are just now finding this out? It's really not surprising at all. They have gun shows all the time here and it's always like that. If gun enthusiasts can sell guns like this under the radar, they will do so regardless of what the government says.

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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    It's sad that a criminal could get a gun this easily.
    Criminals really don't need to go through channels like these to get guns.

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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    If in fact these were accurate (as depicted) the sellers are liable and should be prosecuted as they are clearly subverting the laws. So are they being prosecuted?
    I would assume so this was done by Bloomberg's office so it would be put on the respective states that this happened in to launch a prosecution

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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    He's just pissy because some people in NY still have guns. I mean look at it over there, shoot yourself in the leg and you could be looking at 2 years. Commiville indeed.
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    Re: Bloomberg Investigation of Gun Shows

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    I would assume so this was done by Bloomberg's office so it would be put on the respective states that this happened in to launch a prosecution
    NewYork has been doing this **** for years and filing frivolous lawsuits against out of state gun dealers.

    NYC sues out-of-state gun dealers
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