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READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Agent Ferris said:
Really? First of all Reagan stopped campaigning after he won the elections. Obama on the other hand is in permanent campaign mode. And second of all I never saw school children singing the praises of Reagan or Palin reminiscent of North Korea and the Third Reich.
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About the schoolchildren thing, that was some private individual acting out. Crazy people happen, they're not Obama's fault. And Reagan did not stop campaigning after he won. It's how the system is set up, you have to be in perpertual campaign mode to get anything done. Carter's advisors were the first ones to notice this.

Bull****, he has gone so far as to fire a CEO.
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If I remember correctly, the company asked the government to take over, which the government did because it was better than letting one of the biggest companies in America fall during a horrible depression.

The regulatory provisions that have been implemented on the auto and financial industries border on direct state control. And now he seeks to do the same exact thing with the health care industry.
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No they don't.

No POTUS has used them as broadly as Obama.
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Because down the road the Democratic party fully intends on granting full citizenship to illegals currently living in the country and hopes to gain their votes.
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The curtailment of civil liberties is actually one of the last steps taken by a dictatorship. The corporatist must first gain complete control of the whole of society, then the infringement upon the rights of the individual who dare opposes the iron fist of the state can begin.
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aps said:
I agree to some extent. I find, however, that the right's exaggerations are worse than anything the left does. That's my biased opinion. Concentration camps. Are you serious? :shock:
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Short of getting into all the evidence here, people have been talking about FEMA camps for much longer then Obama's been around...
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If you can watch through that whole movie and still not believe there are concentration camps in america, then you're seriously living in denial.

Also, you don't seem to get that the left and right are like WWE wrestlers... they just hate each other for as long as the camera's are on them.

hazlnut said:
That's the most idiotic, moronic statement ever posted on this board.

Please, hire a lawyer and sue your high school and high school history/civics teachers.

They screwed you out of an education.
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Here's how it works :
Laws are being made to 'circumvent' the constitution... for example, with the patriot act, any federal or state crimes can be used to deem a person a 'domestic terrorist' and terrorists don't get constitutional protections.

This was going on with Bush, this is continuing, if not expanding through Obama... I'm certain that all the facts on the issues have been presented, the denials are a way that this process can continue without debate because all the debaters are stuck trying to prove that it exists rather then debating whether it's something that is wanted or not.

the makeout hobo said:
Cult of personality, I can see that. But it happens all the time. There was a cult of personality around Reagan, there's a cult of personality around Palin. It's politics, it happens.
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Yes, this is true... but there is a danger in a cult of personality... use Hitler as a cautionary tale as the extreme of where a cult of personality can go.

As to a "corporatist society", I catagorically reject that. He's trying to keep our economy from tail-spinning into oblivion, but I don't see it moving towards a corporatist society.
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Funny, you categorically deny that this is happening and then enumerate precisely the method that's being used to make it happen.

As to the Czars, every president since Nixon has had them, whats the problem?
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Now there are czars for virtually everything surrounding the president... it's undemocratic, it's unnaccountable, that there's been precedents doesn't make it right... just now this is being pushed to the extreme.

I mean, you got Czars like Holdren that wrote SEVERAL books about such loving topics as : adding sterilants to food and water, the antidote being given only after a successful application for parenthood has been processed, forced abortions for anyone not approuved of parenthood, government raising all children in special facilities, also he discusses topics like microchipping the population.


Also, why would Obama want more illegals? It doesn't make sense.
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It makes sense if you are HOPING to crash the american economy and lower the standard of living of the average america.

Now what would bother me is if it seemed like there was a significant curtailment of civil liberties going on...
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The patriot act. The Give act. Obama's health care bills.
It's already going on... it's just being sold to you as a 'good' thing... or a 'necessary' thing.
 
Councilman said:
READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States - News - ReviewJournal.com



It has been clear to many for a long time that Obama and his minions have been moving in a direction that is counter to the Constitution. the appointment of over 30 people positions of power that are not covered by provision of the Constitution along with fact that he has appointed to some of these positions known self described Communists with views they have talked about that are very close to policies that were in place during the National Socialist Party of 1919to 1945 Germany. This are not speculation or a conspiracy it is known facts.
Another disturbing action under way by Obama is the action now under way to prevent Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio from doing his sworn duty to enforce the laws of the Nation because Obama wants more illegal aliens in the country not less because it helps his personal goals as he openly talked about when he said; "Mar 15, 2008 ... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".
What people didn't know at that time was since the election he would attempt to change what Americans believe.
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Umm... yeah. Not quite there yet. Don't get me wrong - the nobility of the Oath Keepers is fine and I think it sounds like a good organization. They're view of upholding the Constitution is excellent and if more of our public officials (elected and non) framed their decisions with the Constitution before they made decisions - we'd all be better off. But now is not the time -- things have to get a lot and I mean a LOT worse off than they are now in order for revolt to take place. And while the Federalist papers outline why revolt is and was needed, it should only be used in the most extreme circumstances as the aftermath of such a revolt (assuming it's successful) is gigantic and well... just like it was back in the 1760's... a daunting task to restructure and remake a country.
 
the makeout hobo said:
About the schoolchildren thing, that was some private individual acting out. Crazy people happen, they're not Obama's fault.
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Yes they are it is Obama who has fostered this cult of personality.


And Reagan did not stop campaigning after he won. It's how the system is set up, you have to be in perpertual campaign mode to get anything done. Carter's advisors were the first ones to notice this.
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Um no Reagan was not in permanent campaign mode. Reagan did not demonize the opposition the way this current administration has done.

If I remember correctly, the company asked the government to take over, which the government did because it was better than letting one of the biggest companies in America fall during a horrible depression.
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No the company did not ask the state to take over. The state blackmailed them, either go bankrupt or accept our corporatism. Get your facts straight.


No they don't.
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What rock have you been living under?

Source?
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Name a POTUS that has had more Czars than Obama. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Not even Bush who was the previous record holder had as many Czars in his entire administration as Obama has in less than his first year in office.

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Germany 1933-1945.
 
the makeout hobo said:
About the schoolchildren thing, that was some private individual acting out. Crazy people happen, they're not Obama's fault.
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Yes they are it is Obama who has fostered this cult of personality. It hasn't occurred only once there are dozens of videos of the indoctrination of children into the cult of Obama and not just in schools either.


And Reagan did not stop campaigning after he won. It's how the system is set up, you have to be in perpertual campaign mode to get anything done. Carter's advisors were the first ones to notice this.
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Um no Reagan was not in permanent campaign mode. Reagan did not demonize the opposition the way this current administration has done.

If I remember correctly, the company asked the government to take over, which the government did because it was better than letting one of the biggest companies in America fall during a horrible depression.
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No the company did not ask the state to take over. The state blackmailed them, either go bankrupt or accept our corporatism. Get your facts straight.


No they don't.
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What rock have you been living under?

Source?
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Name a POTUS that has had more Czars than Obama. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Not even Bush who was the previous record holder had as many Czars in his entire administration as Obama has in less than his first year in office.

Source?
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Liberal Democrats propose amnesty for illegal migrants - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

Newsmax.com - After Healthcare and Cap-And-Trade, Democrats To Push Amnesty for Illegals

ALIPAC - Democrat puts down his marker for amnesty

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Germany 1933-1945.
 
Meh. I'm not opposed to violent revolution so long as the cause is just.
 
This “Oath Keepers “group is a cabal of raucous destroyers of liberty and dangerous purveyors of paranoia and anti-American thought and positions hidden in a phony façade of patriotism.

These “Oath Keepers “are clearly minions of anti-Constitutional desires. For a group who likes to accuse others of being like Hitlerites one only has to watch old Nazi propaganda films of the brown shirted Nazi thugs taking an “oath” to Uncle Adolf. Just because they call themselves “Oath Keepers “that does not mean that they are in any way legitimate of good.

These “Oath Keepers “are nothing more than fascists hiding under the sheep’s clothing of Americanism.

Yes we need to take our country back but we need to take it back from the lying fascist/Nazi thugs known as the “Oath Keepers “.
 
Don't Tase Me Bro said:
I see no evidence whatsoever that Obama is pushing towards a dictatorship.
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Well, while you try to improve your powers of perception for obvious social trends, the rest of us will deal with the major issues.

As a matter of fact, all governments constantly strive to become dictatorships, it's part of human nature. It's why in a Republic, the burden of oversight never leaves the public for an instant, and why they must be brutally critical of the plans, schemes, motives, morality, powers and all actions of government at all levels at all times.

Serfs trust governments. This is yet another demonstration of the superior moral status of slaves over serfs.
 
I don't think that PBO has the guts, nor the muscle, that it would take to install a dictatorship in this country. We have the most heavily armed civilian population in the world and most of the gun owners are the very ones that wouldn't hesitate to use those guns to defeat a dictator in the act of trying to sieze power. Be that as it may, it's almost impossible to ignore how many of PBO's policies and actions mirror what dictators throughout history have done during their rise to power. The victim politics, cult of personality and scapegoat politics mirror exactly how Hitler came to power. Sorry for the hitler reference, but the similarities are impossible to ignore, not to mention irrepsonsible. I can't remember who said it, nor the exact quote, but it was said that Hitler came to power because [decent men in the Weimar government were either ignored, or were too afraid to speak up]. So far, we've seen what happens to an American citizen when he questions PBO's policies.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This “Oath Keepers “group is a cabal of raucous destroyers of liberty and dangerous purveyors of paranoia and anti-American thought and positions hidden in a phony façade of patriotism.

These “Oath Keepers “are clearly minions of anti-Constitutional desires. For a group who likes to accuse others of being like Hitlerites one only has to watch old Nazi propaganda films of the brown shirted Nazi thugs taking an “oath” to Uncle Adolf. Just because they call themselves “Oath Keepers “that does not mean that they are in any way legitimate of good.

These “Oath Keepers “are nothing more than fascists hiding under the sheep’s clothing of Americanism.

Yes we need to take our country back but we need to take it back from the lying fascist/Nazi thugs known as the “Oath Keepers “.
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Lol!

What do the "Oath Keepers" control in this country that must be "taken back?"

Since you are opposed to the premise of the "Oath Keepers", is it also safe to assume that you would be perfectly OK with a Government unlawfully confiscating weapons and blockading cities to turn them concentration camps?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This “Oath Keepers “group is a cabal of raucous destroyers of liberty and dangerous purveyors of paranoia and anti-American thought and positions hidden in a phony façade of patriotism.

These “Oath Keepers “are clearly minions of anti-Constitutional desires. For a group who likes to accuse others of being like Hitlerites one only has to watch old Nazi propaganda films of the brown shirted Nazi thugs taking an “oath” to Uncle Adolf. Just because they call themselves “Oath Keepers “that does not mean that they are in any way legitimate of good.

These “Oath Keepers “are nothing more than fascists hiding under the sheep’s clothing of Americanism.

Yes we need to take our country back but we need to take it back from the lying fascist/Nazi thugs known as the “Oath Keepers “.
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Well, then, you musta been mad as all hell when Joe the Plumber was illegally investigated by an O-bot, just because he questioned The One and embarressed his ass on national TV. Right?

These “Oath Keepers “are nothing more than fascists hiding under the sheep’s clothing of Americanism.
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You might want to be a little more careful how you throw that notion around. Oathkeepers are all military and law enforcement personel.

It's folks like these that are going to keep wouldbe dictators in check.
 
The silenced majority said:
Lol!

What do the "Oath Keepers" control in this country that must be "taken back?"

Since you are opposed to the premise of the "Oath Keepers", is it also safe to assume that you would be perfectly OK with a Government unlawfully confiscating weapons and blockading cities to turn them concentration camps?
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What I am opposed to is the falsehoods and lies that the "Oath Keepers" are spreading. What warped fantacy are these people and those who beleive them are living under to actually believe that the government is "confiscating weapons and blockading cities to turn them concentration camps". You know people should learn from what the NAZI "Oath Keepers" wo not only confiscating weapons and blockaded and attacked countries and cities and built and operated concentration camps.

If your "Oath Keepers" are liars and they are showing evidence of that then yes I am opposed to liars.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
What I am opposed to is the falsehoods and lies that the "Oath Keepers" are spreading.
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What lies?

What warped fantacy are these people and those who beleive them are living under to actually believe that the government is "confiscating weapons and blockading cities to turn them concentration camps".
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They simply signed took an oath not to carry out orders to do anything on that level.


Do you have a problem with them doing this?



You know people should learn from what the NAZI "Oath Keepers" wo not only confiscating weapons and blockaded and attacked countries and cities and built and operated concentration camps.
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Oath Keepers About OathKeepers
We are Not advocating or promoting violence towards any organization, group or person," and "We are Not advocating or promoting any act or acts of aggression against any organization or person for any reason including, but not limited to; race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, gender or sexual orientation."​

If your "Oath Keepers" are liars and they are showing evidence of that then yes I am opposed to liars.
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As far as evidence goes, you have provided none.
 
apdst said:
Well, then, you musta been mad as all hell when Joe the Plumber was illegally investigated by an O-bot, just because he questioned The One and embarressed his ass on national TV. Right?



You might want to be a little more careful how you throw that notion around. Oathkeepers are all military and law enforcement personel.

It's folks like these that are going to keep wouldbe dictators in check.
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First of all I do not know what an "O-bot" is so it is rather impossible to even answer that question. The eprson who ended up embarrassing is the phony plumber Sam since he didn't even have the money to buy the business that he was so worried about the non taxes which he would never have tp pay anyways. Sam the phony plumber got a sh0t it that day but it was a lie that he told.

If a supporter of the O exposed the phony plumber guy with personal information about how the phony plumber did not pay up his property taxes that is not nice. That should not have been done any more than the Palin Puke lies about Obama "palling around with terrorists". Two wrongs do not make a right.
 
The silenced majority said:
What lies?



They simply signed took an oath not to carry out orders to do anything on that level.


Do you have a problem with them doing this?





Oath Keepers About OathKeepers
We are Not advocating or promoting violence towards any organization, group or person," and "We are Not advocating or promoting any act or acts of aggression against any organization or person for any reason including, but not limited to; race, religion, national origin, political affiliation, gender or sexual orientation."​



As far as evidence goes, you have provided none.
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show me any evidence that there are any plans to confiscate weapons or create concentration camps in the US!!
 
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These the lofty 10 points of the "OATH KEEPERS".

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

This is a set of oaths to "oppose" things for which there is no evidence that there are any plans to do.

Let's just take the elements of point # 8 "= "use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people ". Do any of you young guys remember the parnoid nutjobs who have claimed that the "UN is planning to invade the US with their baby blue helmets" -

"black helecopters seen in Ohio landing blue helmets"

Point # 1 "orders to disarm the American people." Remember that nujobs have told us that there was executive order number 76264846439026484642984.78876673223b "sitting on OBAMA DESK BEFORE HE WAS EVEN INNAUGERATED" that would order the confiscation of all guns.

Show me the evidence not the rantings of nutjobs who talk to UFO drivers !!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
show me any evidence that there are any plans to confiscate weapons or cretae concentration camps in the US!!
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How does the existence or non-existence of Government plans to confiscate weapons or create concentration camps make a group's oath to not carry out such orders a bad thing?

Why is this group a bunch of Nazis for refusing to carry out hypothetical unlawful orders?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
These the lofty 10 points of the "OATH KEEPERS".

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

This is a set of oaths to "oppose" things for which there is no evidence that there are any plans to do.

Let's just take the elements of point # 8 "= "use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people ". Do any of you young guys remember the parnoid nutjobs who have claimed that the "UN is planning to invade the US with their baby blue helmets" -

"black helecopters seen in Ohio landing blue helmets"

Point # 1 "orders to disarm the American people." Remember that nujobs have told us that there was executive order number 76264846439026484642984.78876673223b "sitting on OBAMA DESK BEFORE HE WAS EVEN INNAUGERATED" that would order the confiscation of all guns.

Show me the evidence not the rantings of nutjobs who talk to UFO drivers !!
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Do you understand that these "oaths" are a simple re-affirmation of the bill of rights & the limited power of the federal government?

Probably not.

The whole Constitution outlines "rights" that could be hypothetically taken away by a tyrannical Government.

You do not deserve your freedom.
 
Ready to revolt?

I think they're revolting, already.
 
The silenced majority said:
How does the existence or non-existence of Government plans to confiscate weapons or create concentration camps make a group's oath to not carry out such orders a bad thing?

Why is this group a bunch of Nazis for refusing to carry out hypothetical unlawful orders?
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The point is that their followers and I am sure most of these OATH TAKERS actually beleive that this administration is planning on confiscating weapons. So this is not just theory this is paronoid action.

The supporters of this group and I am sure most of this group are demonizing this POTUS and falsly claiming that he is planning to do virtually all of the 10 points they claim they are opposed to.

The point is be carefull of groups who make promises to cure non existant problems. That is what the NAZI'S did in Germany during their march to take over and yes create a dictatorship, set up concentration camps , and condiscate weapons.

The NAZI 's were right about one thing - Commmunists - Communists are bad and Communists did deverse to die but that is all.
 
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F107HyperSabr said:
The point is that their followers and I am sure most of these OATH TAKERS actually beleive that this administration is planning on confiscating weapons. So this is not just theory this is paronoid action.

The supporters of this group and I am sure most of this group are demonizing this POTUS and falsly claiming that he is planning to do virtually all of the 10 points they claim they are opposed to.

The point is be carefull of groups who make promises to cure non existant problems.
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If the President has no "plans" to do anything, then why not just dismiss this as much ado about nothing?

I never see a problem with the citizenry arming themselves with the Constitution and putting those in power in check.
 
The silenced majority said:
Do you understand that these "oaths" are a simple re-affirmation of the bill of rights & the limited power of the federal government?

Probably not.

The whole Constitution outlines "rights" that could be hypothetically taken away by a tyrannical Government.

You do not deserve your freedom.
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I very cognizant of what these so called oath are for but I am also very cognizant that there is no evidence that this admonistration is planning any of this crap.

Could it happen yes!! I recall the Nixon years very well and he had enemies lists and his evil bufoons invaded the offices of a legal opposition political party office and he did try to destroy the elememnst of the bill of rights.

Yet put your facts where your posts are - show me your evidence that this administration is trying to hurt or invalite our bill of rights.

Show me the money ! OR ...............
 
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The silenced majority said:
If the President has no "plans" to do anything, then why not just dismiss this as much ado about nothing?

I never see a problem with the citizenry arming themselves with the Constitution and putting those in power in check.
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OK then do that withouit making up lies that there is a plan to confiscate weapons...
 
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The silenced majority said:
Do you understand that these "oaths" are a simple re-affirmation of the bill of rights & the limited power of the federal government?

Probably not.

The whole Constitution outlines "rights" that could be hypothetically taken away by a tyrannical Government.

You do not deserve your freedom.
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Why would I not "deserve" my freedom ? Because I do not beleive that blue helmeted non existing UN troops are being unloaded from triangle shaped UFO 's that are landing on the mall in DC ?
 
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