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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    If you people are honestly denying that Obama has created a cult of personality and along with the Dems in Congress on the quick path to a corporatist society then you're living under a god damn rock.

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I would agree that Glenn Beck has gone over the edge except that unlike Obama's White House defenders who just make unsubstantiated claims and accusations Glenn backs up what he says with the words of the people in question.
    Listen to the words of Anita Dunn and Van Jones. Compare what Obama has done and is openly planning with Hugo Chavez's actions toward industry and Media.
    Still see nothing wrong?
    i see everything wrong with basing your opinions on what glen beck tells you.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    If you people are honestly denying that Obama has created a cult of personality and along with the Dems in Congress on the quick path to a corporatist society then you're living under a god damn rock.
    Cult of personality, I can see that. But it happens all the time. There was a cult of personality around Reagan, there's a cult of personality around Palin. It's politics, it happens.

    As to a "corporatist society", I catagorically reject that. He's trying to keep our economy from tail-spinning into oblivion, but I don't see it moving towards a corporatist society.

    As to the Czars, every president since Nixon has had them, whats the problem?

    Also, why would Obama want more illegals? It doesn't make sense.

    Now what would bother me is if it seemed like there was a significant curtailment of civil liberties going on...
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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Cult of personality, I can see that. But it happens all the time. There was a cult of personality around Reagan, there's a cult of personality around Palin. It's politics, it happens.
    Really? First of all Reagan stopped campaigning after he won the elections. Obama on the other hand is in permanent campaign mode. And second of all I never saw school children singing the praises of Reagan or Palin reminiscent of North Korea and the Third Reich.


    As to a "corporatist society", I catagorically reject that. He's trying to keep our economy from tail-spinning into oblivion, but I don't see it moving towards a corporatist society.
    Bull****, he has gone so far as to fire a CEO. The regulatory provisions that have been implemented on the auto and financial industries border on direct state control. And now he seeks to do the same exact thing with the health care industry.

    As to the Czars, every president since Nixon has had them, whats the problem?
    No POTUS has used them as broadly as Obama.

    Also, why would Obama want more illegals? It doesn't make sense.
    Because down the road the Democratic party fully intends on granting full citizenship to illegals currently living in the country and hopes to gain their votes.

    Now what would bother me is if it seemed like there was a significant curtailment of civil liberties going on...
    The curtailment of civil liberties is actually one of the last steps taken by a dictatorship. The corporatist must first gain complete control of the whole of society, then the infringement upon the rights of the individual who dare opposes the iron fist of the state can begin.

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    I would challenge anyone to name a President who has appointed more than a few Czars, and who has named one admitted Communist or Mao worshipers to any position of power or who has friends who we convicted of bombing the Pentagon being in Jail for rioting.
    As far believing what Glenn Beck says is concerned, I say don't listen to what he says listen to what glenn beck shows you of Obama's people in their own words.
    And for crying out loud try to use facts not attacks. Saul Alinskey tactics are well known and seen for what they are. That being the use of straw men to misdirect because the facts are not refutable. Oh you could pull the race card but that too is a tactical attempt to change the subject because of lack of an intelligent response in the face of the truth.
    I saw it in the Attacks on the pompous ass Rush for things he never said. When faced with the truth the racists claim well he would have said it or: Well we know he feels that way. All the hate comes from the leftists but is projected to the right and that's wrong.

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Really? First of all Reagan stopped campaigning after he won the elections. Obama on the other hand is in permanent campaign mode. And second of all I never saw school children singing the praises of Reagan or Palin reminiscent of North Korea and the Third Reich.
    About the schoolchildren thing, that was some private individual acting out. Crazy people happen, they're not Obama's fault. And Reagan did not stop campaigning after he won. It's how the system is set up, you have to be in perpertual campaign mode to get anything done. Carter's advisors were the first ones to notice this.

    Bull****, he has gone so far as to fire a CEO.
    If I remember correctly, the company asked the government to take over, which the government did because it was better than letting one of the biggest companies in America fall during a horrible depression.

    The regulatory provisions that have been implemented on the auto and financial industries border on direct state control. And now he seeks to do the same exact thing with the health care industry.
    No they don't.

    No POTUS has used them as broadly as Obama.
    Source?

    Because down the road the Democratic party fully intends on granting full citizenship to illegals currently living in the country and hopes to gain their votes.
    Source?

    The curtailment of civil liberties is actually one of the last steps taken by a dictatorship. The corporatist must first gain complete control of the whole of society, then the infringement upon the rights of the individual who dare opposes the iron fist of the state can begin.
    Source?
    The Makeout Hobo is real, and does indeed travel around the country in his van and make out with ladies... If you meet the Makeout Hobo, it is customary to greet him with a shot of whiskey and a high five (if you are a dude) or passionate makeouts (if you are a lady).

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    I agree to some extent. I find, however, that the right's exaggerations are worse than anything the left does. That's my biased opinion. Concentration camps. Are you serious?
    Short of getting into all the evidence here, people have been talking about FEMA camps for much longer then Obama's been around...
    Watch CampFEMA : AMERICAN LOCKDOWN Online Free - Watch Movies Online For Free Full Movie Downloads
    If you can watch through that whole movie and still not believe there are concentration camps in america, then you're seriously living in denial.

    Also, you don't seem to get that the left and right are like WWE wrestlers... they just hate each other for as long as the camera's are on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That's the most idiotic, moronic statement ever posted on this board.

    Please, hire a lawyer and sue your high school and high school history/civics teachers.

    They screwed you out of an education.
    Here's how it works :
    Laws are being made to 'circumvent' the constitution... for example, with the patriot act, any federal or state crimes can be used to deem a person a 'domestic terrorist' and terrorists don't get constitutional protections.

    This was going on with Bush, this is continuing, if not expanding through Obama... I'm certain that all the facts on the issues have been presented, the denials are a way that this process can continue without debate because all the debaters are stuck trying to prove that it exists rather then debating whether it's something that is wanted or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Cult of personality, I can see that. But it happens all the time. There was a cult of personality around Reagan, there's a cult of personality around Palin. It's politics, it happens.
    Yes, this is true... but there is a danger in a cult of personality... use Hitler as a cautionary tale as the extreme of where a cult of personality can go.

    As to a "corporatist society", I catagorically reject that. He's trying to keep our economy from tail-spinning into oblivion, but I don't see it moving towards a corporatist society.
    Funny, you categorically deny that this is happening and then enumerate precisely the method that's being used to make it happen.

    As to the Czars, every president since Nixon has had them, whats the problem?
    Now there are czars for virtually everything surrounding the president... it's undemocratic, it's unnaccountable, that there's been precedents doesn't make it right... just now this is being pushed to the extreme.

    I mean, you got Czars like Holdren that wrote SEVERAL books about such loving topics as : adding sterilants to food and water, the antidote being given only after a successful application for parenthood has been processed, forced abortions for anyone not approuved of parenthood, government raising all children in special facilities, also he discusses topics like microchipping the population.


    Also, why would Obama want more illegals? It doesn't make sense.
    It makes sense if you are HOPING to crash the american economy and lower the standard of living of the average america.

    Now what would bother me is if it seemed like there was a significant curtailment of civil liberties going on...
    The patriot act. The Give act. Obama's health care bills.
    It's already going on... it's just being sold to you as a 'good' thing... or a 'necessary' thing.

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States - News - ReviewJournal.com



    It has been clear to many for a long time that Obama and his minions have been moving in a direction that is counter to the Constitution. the appointment of over 30 people positions of power that are not covered by provision of the Constitution along with fact that he has appointed to some of these positions known self described Communists with views they have talked about that are very close to policies that were in place during the National Socialist Party of 1919to 1945 Germany. This are not speculation or a conspiracy it is known facts.
    Another disturbing action under way by Obama is the action now under way to prevent Maricopa County Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio from doing his sworn duty to enforce the laws of the Nation because Obama wants more illegal aliens in the country not less because it helps his personal goals as he openly talked about when he said; "Mar 15, 2008 ... "My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it".
    What people didn't know at that time was since the election he would attempt to change what Americans believe.
    Umm... yeah. Not quite there yet. Don't get me wrong - the nobility of the Oath Keepers is fine and I think it sounds like a good organization. They're view of upholding the Constitution is excellent and if more of our public officials (elected and non) framed their decisions with the Constitution before they made decisions - we'd all be better off. But now is not the time -- things have to get a lot and I mean a LOT worse off than they are now in order for revolt to take place. And while the Federalist papers outline why revolt is and was needed, it should only be used in the most extreme circumstances as the aftermath of such a revolt (assuming it's successful) is gigantic and well... just like it was back in the 1760's... a daunting task to restructure and remake a country.

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    About the schoolchildren thing, that was some private individual acting out. Crazy people happen, they're not Obama's fault.
    Yes they are it is Obama who has fostered this cult of personality.


    And Reagan did not stop campaigning after he won. It's how the system is set up, you have to be in perpertual campaign mode to get anything done. Carter's advisors were the first ones to notice this.
    Um no Reagan was not in permanent campaign mode. Reagan did not demonize the opposition the way this current administration has done.

    If I remember correctly, the company asked the government to take over, which the government did because it was better than letting one of the biggest companies in America fall during a horrible depression.
    No the company did not ask the state to take over. The state blackmailed them, either go bankrupt or accept our corporatism. Get your facts straight.


    No they don't.
    What rock have you been living under?

    Source?
    Name a POTUS that has had more Czars than Obama. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Not even Bush who was the previous record holder had as many Czars in his entire administration as Obama has in less than his first year in office.

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    Liberal Democrats propose amnesty for illegal migrants - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

    Newsmax.com - After Healthcare and Cap-And-Trade, Democrats To Push Amnesty for Illegals

    ALIPAC - Democrat puts down his marker for amnesty

    Source?
    Germany 1933-1945.

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    Re: READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    About the schoolchildren thing, that was some private individual acting out. Crazy people happen, they're not Obama's fault.
    Yes they are it is Obama who has fostered this cult of personality. It hasn't occurred only once there are dozens of videos of the indoctrination of children into the cult of Obama and not just in schools either.


    And Reagan did not stop campaigning after he won. It's how the system is set up, you have to be in perpertual campaign mode to get anything done. Carter's advisors were the first ones to notice this.
    Um no Reagan was not in permanent campaign mode. Reagan did not demonize the opposition the way this current administration has done.

    If I remember correctly, the company asked the government to take over, which the government did because it was better than letting one of the biggest companies in America fall during a horrible depression.
    No the company did not ask the state to take over. The state blackmailed them, either go bankrupt or accept our corporatism. Get your facts straight.


    No they don't.
    What rock have you been living under?

    Source?
    Name a POTUS that has had more Czars than Obama. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Not even Bush who was the previous record holder had as many Czars in his entire administration as Obama has in less than his first year in office.

    Source?
    Liberal Democrats propose amnesty for illegal migrants - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

    Newsmax.com - After Healthcare and Cap-And-Trade, Democrats To Push Amnesty for Illegals

    ALIPAC - Democrat puts down his marker for amnesty

    Source?
    Germany 1933-1945.

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