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READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

F107HyperSabr said:
Yet put your facts where your posts are - show me your evidence that this administration is trying to hurt or invalite our bill of rights.
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Taxing or even jailing citizens of individual sovereign States for not complying with an unconstitutional federal mandate to enter in to a contract is a good place to start.
 
The silenced majority said:
Taxing or even jailing citizens of individual sovereign States for not complying with an unconstitutional federal mandate to enter in to a contract is a good place to start.
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The "sovereign States " are only "sovereign" within the federation. The " sovereign States " gave up certain elements of "sovereignty" when they agreed to join the union. One of those points of "sovereigness" was that they gave the Congress the right to levy taxes.

I hope that I am interpreting this nebulous staement of yours "unconstitutional federal mandate to enter in to a contract" the way you meant it. Who knows what interpretation lies in the minds of man.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
First of all I do not know what an "O-bot" is so it is rather impossible to even answer that question. The eprson who ended up embarrassing is the phony plumber Sam since he didn't even have the money to buy the business that he was so worried about the non taxes which he would never have tp pay anyways. Sam the phony plumber got a sh0t it that day but it was a lie that he told.

If a supporter of the O exposed the phony plumber guy with personal information about how the phony plumber did not pay up his property taxes that is not nice. That should not have been done any more than the Palin Puke lies about Obama "palling around with terrorists". Two wrongs do not make a right.
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Whether, or not, Joe was an actual plumber is irrelevant. What is relevant, is that an O-bot abused her position in the government to perform an illegal investigation and illegally release personal information on Joe.

Joe didn't pay his property taxes? I didn't know that. Gotta link?
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This “Oath Keepers “group is a cabal of raucous destroyers of liberty and dangerous purveyors of paranoia and anti-American thought and positions hidden in a phony façade of patriotism.

These “Oath Keepers “are clearly minions of anti-Constitutional desires. For a group who likes to accuse others of being like Hitlerites one only has to watch old Nazi propaganda films of the brown shirted Nazi thugs taking an “oath” to Uncle Adolf. Just because they call themselves “Oath Keepers “that does not mean that they are in any way legitimate of good.

These “Oath Keepers “are nothing more than fascists hiding under the sheep’s clothing of Americanism.

Yes we need to take our country back but we need to take it back from the lying fascist/Nazi thugs known as the “Oath Keepers “.
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Ok, you may or may not be aware that 'oath keepers' (as well as 'three percenters', whose statement is much more straight and to the point : "You can try to kill me for my gun, I will not attack you, but I will not give up my gun under any circumstance. Your move.") are made up of people who, as part of their JOB involves taking an OATH to the constitution, bill of rights and the good of the country. So, because those in the army felt that they were approaching a situation where illegal orders would come down the pipe sooner or later, these 'oath keepers' simply put, are reaffirming that their oath IS TO THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND CONSTITUTION... and NOT to any would be dictator that would give these illegal orders.

Ikari said:
Meh. I'm not opposed to violent revolution so long as the cause is just.
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Simply, whoever takes the first shot loses.

F107HyperSabr said:
What I am opposed to is the falsehoods and lies that the "Oath Keepers" are spreading. What warped fantacy are these people and those who beleive them are living under to actually believe that the government is "confiscating weapons and blockading cities to turn them concentration camps". You know people should learn from what the NAZI "Oath Keepers" wo not only confiscating weapons and blockaded and attacked countries and cities and built and operated concentration camps.

If your "Oath Keepers" are liars and they are showing evidence of that then yes I am opposed to liars.
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THEY ARE NOT saying that they have PROOF that illegal orders such as the ones they list are going to happen... they are simply making the DECLARATION that if it comes to the constitution vs the president, the constitution will win... they are saying they would PREVENT a would-be hitler to the best of their abilities....

These are the guys that will be targeted first of there is a 'hot' takeover.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
The "sovereign States " are only "sovereign" within the federation. The " sovereign States " gave up certain elements of "sovereignty" when they agreed to join the union. One of those points of "sovereigness" was that they gave the Congress the right to levy taxes.
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Since the States have not agreed to unite to provide healthcare via the limited power of Congress, the Federal Government doesn't have the legitimate authority to invoke the taxing and spending clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 1).


I hope that I am interpreting this nebulous staement of yours "unconstitutional federal mandate to enter in to a contract" the way you meant it. Who knows what interpretation lies in the minds of man.
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The Government doesn't have the legitimate Constitutional authority to require citizens to purchase healthcare.
 
The silenced majority said:
Since the States have not agreed to unite to provide healthcare via the limited power of Congress, the Federal Government doesn't have the legitimate authority to invoke the taxing and spending clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 1).
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I'm sorry, but when did the state agree to unite provide Federal Law enforcement via the power of congress. FBI, DEA, ATF...

And when exactly did the states "agree" to unite to provide interstate highways, National Parks, national defense, air traffic control, public airways....

And when did they "agree" to provide federal grants, subsidies, tax incentives to all types of business, public, private etc....

Again, you reveal a total lack of understand of how the federal government functions and what it actually provides for Y... O.... U...




The Government doesn't have the legitimate Constitutional authority to require citizens to purchase healthcare.
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Good thing then that's NOT what is purposed...:2wave:
 
hazlnut said:
I'm sorry, but when did the state agree to unite provide Federal Law enforcement via the power of congress. FBI, DEA, ATF...
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One good breach of legitimate Constitutional powers deserves another?

And when exactly did the states "agree" to unite to provide interstate highways, National Parks, national defense, air traffic control, public airways....
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Apparently you didn't read the legitimate powers outlined in The Taxing and Spending Clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 1)

And when did they "agree" to provide federal grants, subsidies, tax incentives to all types of business, public, private etc....
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The sovereign States would be foolish to deprive their citizens the apportioned federal money that they pay taxes for in the forms of the various incentives you've listed.

One of the crowning achievements of the Progressive era.

Again, you reveal a total lack of understand of how the federal government functions and what it actually provides for Y... O.... U...
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I understand exactly what they provide for me & what is legitimate and what is not.





Good thing then that's NOT what is purposed...:2wave:
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I guess in a warped way you are right. If a citizen doesn't want to purchase healthcare they can be fined & even jailed for it, but they are free to not pay for it if they want.
 
Not that these videos add credibility whatsoever to the concentration camp 'argument', but this commercial caught me totally off guard and was a little thought provoking. Especially coming from such a widely viewed station such as MTV.

These were aired during the Bush administration, which makes sense giving MTV's leftist lean. As mentioned in the OP, each side of the political spectrum is willing to go to such extreme measures in an attempt to use the most powerful physiological force of all to gather support..fear.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFmkwmc1xKY"]YouTube - MTV HOLOCAUST COMMERCIAL-history repeats[/ame]



[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PZDziHzXb4"]YouTube - Holocaust - better not be repeated[/ame]
 
Polynikes said:
Not that these videos add credibility whatsoever to the concentration camp 'argument', but this commercial caught me totally off guard and was a little thought provoking. Especially coming from such a widely viewed station such as MTV.

These were aired during the Bush administration, which makes sense giving MTV's leftist lean. As mentioned in the OP, each side of the political spectrum is willing to go to such extreme measures in an attempt to use the most powerful physiological force of all to gather support..fear.

YouTube - MTV HOLOCAUST COMMERCIAL-history repeats



YouTube - Holocaust - better not be repeated
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No, those commercials don't add credibility...

There is a movie called 'camp fema' that has ALL the relative documentation on concentration camps, and that there are even, today, in some of these camps, prisoners who made arrangements to be prisoners in the camp for things like shorter sentances, all the executive orders, etc, etc, etc... it's unreal. You seriously cannot watch that movie and still believe that it's fake... simply you're in denial. The best part is where Glen Beck just states 'doesn't exist'.

I don't want to make a prediction, but within 2 years the purpose of the camps will become obvious.
 
BmanMcfly said:
No, those commercials don't add credibility...
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Thanks for reiterating what I just said. I wasn't taking the approach to confirm their existence or potential existence. I was stating how they caught me off guard, especially coming from a station such as MTV.

You need to relax and read sometimes. You remind of one of those people that when you are speaking to them you can just see them not paying attention to what you are saying because they are just itching you add their 2 cents
 
Polynikes said:
Thanks for reiterating what I just said. I wasn't taking the approach to confirm their existence or potential existence. I was stating how they caught me off guard, especially coming from a station such as MTV.
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Yes, those commercials definately caught me off guard when I saw them... I was going to add an extra comment, but if I were to bring up the topic someone would call it 'conspiracy'.

You need to relax and read sometimes. You remind of one of those people that when you are speaking to them you can just see them not paying attention to what you are saying because they are just itching you add their 2 cents
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I was making the point that although those two clips are of nothing 'REAL', there REALLY ARE concentration camps in america... and I'm telling the source that has every detail I would bring up and more. The point being that now, all that's needed is the 'right emergency' and FEMA might take over and suspend the constitution through COG, and then load people into camps... THAT is the reality of the situation in america...

I am being absolutely insistant, and nobody, even watching the film can really offer much of a debunk, there's too much out there that shows that they exist, people gotta stop deenying this...
 
Agent Ferris said:
Yes they are it is Obama who has fostered this cult of personality. It hasn't occurred only once there are dozens of videos of the indoctrination of children into the cult of Obama and not just in schools either.
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"It's Obama's fault people do stupdi things." I thought you believed in personal responsibility.

Um no Reagan was not in permanent campaign mode. Reagan did not demonize the opposition the way this current administration has done.
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Yes he did. All politicians do. Remember Bush suggesting his opponents were with the terrorists, and that they were UnAmerican?

No the company did not ask the state to take over. The state blackmailed them, either go bankrupt or accept our corporatism. Get your facts straight.
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How did the state make them make that choice? What other option should there have been?

What rock have you been living under?
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Great comeback.

Name a POTUS that has had more Czars than Obama. I'll be waiting with baited breath. Not even Bush who was the previous record holder had as many Czars in his entire administration as Obama has in less than his first year in office.
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Do you have proof Bush had less?

Germany 1933-1945.
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Maybe when you actually read a history book, and know what you're talking about, we can come back and discuss how Hitler's coming to power on themes of making their foreign enemies pay, of restoring the nation to a past glory age, of returning to family values, of promising military build up, was vastly different than Obama.
 
BmanMcfly said:
No, those commercials don't add credibility...

There is a movie called 'camp fema' that has ALL the relative documentation on concentration camps, and that there are even, today, in some of these camps, prisoners who made arrangements to be prisoners in the camp for things like shorter sentances, all the executive orders, etc, etc, etc... it's unreal. You seriously cannot watch that movie and still believe that it's fake... simply you're in denial. The best part is where Glen Beck just states 'doesn't exist'.

I don't want to make a prediction, but within 2 years the purpose of the camps will become obvious.
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Any links to where this 'camp fema' film you speak of can be viewed?
 
Polynikes said:
Any links to where this 'camp fema' film you speak of can be viewed?
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Watch CampFEMA : AMERICAN LOCKDOWN Online Free - Watch Movies Online For Free Full Movie Downloads
(If it gets put back up online, which it probably will this is probably the best place to find it.)

In the meantime, here's a couple clips, the best I can do for now.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iBcI05t5tA"]YouTube - Camp FEMA - MIAC Report[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqqbEuxmW0&feature=related"]YouTube - CAMP FEMA - Now Hiring All Positions[/ame]
 
Objective Voice said:
Sorry...I got you confused with another poster ("aps" and "apdst")
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OMG, please tell me you don't get us mixed up. I hope I never sound like him. :shock:

Someone hold me. :afraid:
 
Redress said:
I think that was the point she was making. The left does not have any one near as extreme in the media(that darn liberal media), nor in the leadership. When the left had Truthers or people thinking Bush was going to try and become dictator, it was clearly the way out fringe left. With the right, it seems to be a much more mainstream part of the party.
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Yes yes yes.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Watch CampFEMA : AMERICAN LOCKDOWN Online Free - Watch Movies Online For Free Full Movie Downloads
(If it gets put back up online, which it probably will this is probably the best place to find it.)
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Alex Jones stating that 'people' began noticing those cells being transported and that they are being produced en mass without any evidence is very skeptical.

Also, the notion of the military coming up with rapidly mobile and versatile forward bases isn't very scary.

And, wow, it is truly hairaising that the military has the technology to rapidly lay down razor wire. Must mean they are going to imprison us.

You could look at just about any military technology and live in fear of the repercussions it could have if it is used domestically.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
show me any evidence that there are any plans to confiscate weapons or create concentration camps in the US!!
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We made happy fun camps once before under FDR. No guarantee they won't do it again. Not quite concentration camps back then, but still not good.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
These the lofty 10 points of the "OATH KEEPERS".

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

This is a set of oaths to "oppose" things for which there is no evidence that there are any plans to do.

Let's just take the elements of point # 8 "= "use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people ". Do any of you young guys remember the parnoid nutjobs who have claimed that the "UN is planning to invade the US with their baby blue helmets" -

"black helecopters seen in Ohio landing blue helmets"

Point # 1 "orders to disarm the American people." Remember that nujobs have told us that there was executive order number 76264846439026484642984.78876673223b "sitting on OBAMA DESK BEFORE HE WAS EVEN INNAUGERATED" that would order the confiscation of all guns.

Show me the evidence not the rantings of nutjobs who talk to UFO drivers !!
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Is there something wrong with that list?
 
the makeout hobo said:
Maybe when you actually read a history book, and know what you're talking about, we can come back and discuss how Hitler's coming to power on themes of making their foreign enemies pay, of restoring the nation to a past glory age, of returning to family values, of promising military build up, was vastly different than Obama.
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Actually, what Hitler said sounded alot like, "hpe-n-change".

Here's is an excerpt:

Within a few weeks the social prejudices of a thousand years were swept away. So great was the Revolution that its spiritual foundations have not been understood even today by a superficial world. They speak of democracies and dictatorships, and have not realized that in this country a Revolution has taken place that can be described as democratic in the highest sense of the word. Does a more glorious socialism or a truer democracy exist than that which enables any German boy to find his way to the head of the nation? The purpose of the Revolution was not to deprive a privileged class of its rights, but to raise a class without rights to equality....
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Sounds awfully hope-n-change'ish, especially the first and last sentences.
 
This thread sounds a lot like conspiracy-theory wingnut talk.

Can someone please move it to the appropriate dumpster location?

Thanks!
 
Polynikes said:
Alex Jones stating that 'people' began noticing those cells being transported and that they are being produced en mass without any evidence is very skeptical.
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Did you notce when the millitary guy was talking and said that's how G-bay was made... modeled after one built in wisonsin?

Also, the notion of the military coming up with rapidly mobile and versatile forward bases isn't very scary.
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That's why the 6 min clip doesn't do much justice for the other 114min of the film.

And, wow, it is truly hairaising that the military has the technology to rapidly lay down razor wire. Must mean they are going to imprison us.

You could look at just about any military technology and live in fear of the repercussions it could have if it is used domestically.
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Again, that's only a small section... Did you also miss the part where FEMA has the power to declare martial law?

Look, I know there's a prejudice against alex jones... he did not make the film, he is a part of the film, but really just small parts.

The facts in the matter are :
- Concentration camps have existed, and continue to exist
- Continuity of Government program has plans to SUSPEND the constitution in case of 'emergency'
- Really, all it would take it the RIGHT emergency and then the whole need for these camps will become apparent.
 
apdst said:
Actually, what Hitler said sounded alot like, "hpe-n-change".

Here's is an excerpt:



Sounds awfully hope-n-change'ish, especially the first and last sentences.
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You'll find speeches like that with any ideology. It's politician fluff, everyone is guilty of it.
 
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