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READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Nooooooo, PBO doesn't believe in American exceptionalism. He believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault, hence the Apology Tour '09.

If and on the very rare occasions we may have been wrong then it is honorable to issue a sincere apology. You realize that any nation that can live up man up and apologize for that rare time time that the nation is wrong is a sign of "exceptionalism".

I take xception with your accusation that "believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault,". That statement is below hyperbole it is an absolute faslehood.
 
Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ?

Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ?

Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?
 
If and on the very rare occasions we may have been wrong then it is honorable to issue a sincere apology. You realize that any nation that can live up man up and apologize for that rare time time that the nation is wrong is a sign of "exceptionalism".

I take xception with your accusation that "believes that everything wrong with the world is America's fault,". That statement is below hyperbole it is an absolute faslehood.

Who was PBO apologizing to? The Europeans? The Arabs? The Muslims? Those clowns have all done far worse than we ever will.
 
Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ?

Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ?

Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?

Like many of us, they see a hostile, far Left government taking control of our country. The Czars are all extremist, freedom hating nutjobs. The president is pals with a confessed terrorist. The president hs already suggested that he supports abolishing certain freedoms. No, it's no wonder what changed.
 
Plumbo's property tax saga was well reported and documented. ASK Google man, and ye shall recieve info.

Make a claim, post a link. That's how it works on internet debate forums, sport.
 
OMG of course there are Concentration camps that is where the people selected by the DEATH PANELS will be sent ....

OMG, of course! What could I have been thinking? :doh

;)
 
Many people will dismiss the "Oath Takers" as harmless kooks, while others may regard them as patriotic Americans who are expressing their genuine concern for our Constitutional system. Perhaps it would be useful to examine the record of similar groups which have operated in the past.

In the early 1990s, an organization which called itself "The Cross, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord" held that the Clinton administration posed an immediate threat to the Constitutional freedoms exercised by American citizens. Like the "Oath Takers," they recruited heavily among active duty military personnel. Like the "Oath Takers" they required that new members subscribe to an "oath" to defend the Constitution and oppose, by force if necessary, any and all attempts to "infringe" upon those freedoms. Their particular "enemies" were the FBI, ATF, and the IRS, but they regarded ALL government agencies as evil instruments of illegitimate power.

For the most part, the CSA stayed underground, but on one momentous occasion a member drew national attention.

Timothy McVeigh, who had joined the CSA while still on active duty, and who had attended at least two CSA "camps" (one in Arkansas, one in eastern Oklahoma) was driven by his hatred of all things associated with government to act--and the bomb he created killed 168 innocent people at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

It is not safe to dismiss these people as a "harmless fringe." Such people can become very dangerous--and very destructive--without warning. One of the best sources for information on groups like this is Morris Dees' Southern Poverty Law Center, who keep track of these guys and provide information about them on the SPLC website.
 
Let us face the facts here and see that this group Oath Keepers is for the most part made up of people who are well meaning and want to do what is best for the country. Yet they are ready to swing into action to solve problems and conditions that have not and do not exist. The dangerous people are the small minority of the Oath Keepers leadership who know that the problems and conditions have not and do not exist that this group is ready to act upon but they are fanning the flames of false danger for reasons that only they know for sure and we can logicall surmise.

When did Oth keepers start? What was the event that caused the organization to form ? Just asking !!





Who are these leaders? Veterans, no for the most part? What evidence do you have to be besmirching these guys character?
 
Oath Keepers was formed in MARCH 2009 ! Does anyone wonder why it was formed that recently ? NOPE!


Does anyone wonder what they think chnaged in this country to render a "need" for people taking mass oaths ? These are Oath Keepers... that is keeping oaths they've already made!


Does anyome wonder if OATH KEEPERS is more against something rather than for something ? Not me just some REALLY freaked out socialists

Does anyone wonder if that group has more on it's mind than Keeping good oaths ? Again just REALLY freaked out socialists

Does anyone wonder who is realy behind this what on the surface looks like a patriotic idea ? Nope just REALLY freaked out socialists!

Does anyone wonder what is there below the surface ?Nope just REALLY freaked out socialists!

Not that I blame them for being freaked out. They really think they can just run over the Constitution and ANYTHING or ANYBODY that might preclude that end... REALLY freaks them out!
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Many people will dismiss the "Oath Takers" as harmless kooks, while others may regard them as patriotic Americans who are expressing their genuine concern for our Constitutional system. Perhaps it would be useful to examine the record of similar groups which have operated in the past.

In the early 1990s, an organization which called itself "The Cross, the Sword, and the Arm of the Lord" held that the Clinton administration posed an immediate threat to the Constitutional freedoms exercised by American citizens. Like the "Oath Takers," they recruited heavily among active duty military personnel. Like the "Oath Takers" they required that new members subscribe to an "oath" to defend the Constitution and oppose, by force if necessary, any and all attempts to "infringe" upon those freedoms. Their particular "enemies" were the FBI, ATF, and the IRS, but they regarded ALL government agencies as evil instruments of illegitimate power.

For the most part, the CSA stayed underground, but on one momentous occasion a member drew national attention.

Timothy McVeigh, who had joined the CSA while still on active duty, and who had attended at least two CSA "camps" (one in Arkansas, one in eastern Oklahoma) was driven by his hatred of all things associated with government to act--and the bomb he created killed 168 innocent people at the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.

It is not safe to dismiss these people as a "harmless fringe." Such people can become very dangerous--and very destructive--without warning. One of the best sources for information on groups like this is Morris Dees' Southern Poverty Law Center, who keep track of these guys and provide information about them on the SPLC website.


The opening article tried to make the same disgusting point as you do here. These law enforcement officers that are pledging to "lay down their arms" when given an unlawful order to use them against citizens expressing their rights under the Constitution of the United States. That you would make the comparison in stronger terms than the article would dare even tread, or rely on ANYTHING Morris Dees says or advocates, I suspect says more than I care to know about you sir.


j-mac
 
I think the only reason it appears that way is because the right is willing to go way further than the left is. I mean, the left does have MSNBC, but you don't see anyone on MSNBC crying into the camera and acting like a complete lunatic. They have Keith Olbermann, but I've yet to see one single show where he screams his head off at someone like O'Reilly. The right has someone like Ann Coulter who is primarily there to shock the pants off of people by making outrageous statements. The left doesn't really have anyone that is quite at the level of Ann Coulter. Many would point to Michael Moore as the left's version of Coulter. While Michael Moore does have a clear leftist agenda, he is more interested in pushing that agenda than shocking people like Ann Coulter does.

You must be living in a parallel universe! THE LEFT WONT' GO AS FAR AS THE RIGHT?... is that your assertion! You ignore all the elements that are presently or have been in the past clearly linked to the most radical, leftist among us: The Weathermen/Weather Underground, the Black Panthers, Farrakhan, Code Pink, most Air America talk show hosts (if any are left), NOW, ACLU, ACORN, Students for a Democratic Society, Democratic Underground, Huffington Post, SEIU, Al Sharpton, Planned Parenthood, Media Matters, etc. I'm not saying that all of the aforementioned organizations and persons have done no good, however, I do believe that they all share the goal (to different degrees) to radically change America in the direction of socialism! I've just scratched the surface with this list. Perhaps they are invisible to you because you don't have a problem with what they are doing.

I see so many on DP label themselves as moderate or centrist (or they hint that middle leaning in their posts) yet they embrace the work of so many radical leftists!
 
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It is the same reason that I rarely listen to C-SPAN's Washington Journal anymore. The lines are often flooded by those lying about their affiliation to gain access to the air, and outnumber conservative opinions. It isn't that there are more of them, just more with nothing better to do.


j-mac
 
The opening article tried to make the same disgusting point as you do here. These law enforcement officers that are pledging to "lay down their arms" when given an unlawful order to use them against citizens expressing their rights under the Constitution of the United States. That you would make the comparison in stronger terms than the article would dare even tread, or rely on ANYTHING Morris Dees says or advocates, I suspect says more than I care to know about you sir.


j-mac

I have known Morris Dees for nearly forty years, and I consider him a close personal friend. I understand that he has engendered the resentment of those who would deny equal rights to all citizens and that he is the object of absolute hatred by the Ku Klux Klan, whom he has put out of business in several places. Those things don't bother me at all, because I support and pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States and to fight without cease for the ideals which it represents.

If you think that the "Oath Keepers" can accomplish those things (or even intend to) better than Morris Dees and his efforts on behalf of the rule of law and the application of justice on the behalf of all, then that says more about you than I could ever have imagined on my own.

I may be posting in this forum from time to time, and I hope that you will read what I post and reflect upon it. If I can write as effectively as I think that I can, there will be plenty of food for thought. All you need is to be willing to think.
 
I have known Morris Dees for nearly forty years, and I consider him a close personal friend. I understand that he has engendered the resentment of those who would deny equal rights to all citizens and that he is the object of absolute hatred by the Ku Klux Klan, whom he has put out of business in several places. Those things don't bother me at all, because I support and pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States and to fight without cease for the ideals which it represents.

If you think that the "Oath Keepers" can accomplish those things (or even intend to) better than Morris Dees and his efforts on behalf of the rule of law and the application of justice on the behalf of all, then that says more about you than I could ever have imagined on my own.

I may be posting in this forum from time to time, and I hope that you will read what I post and reflect upon it. If I can write as effectively as I think that I can, there will be plenty of food for thought. All you need is to be willing to think.

I respect Morris Dees work, however he doesn't have the same kind of muscle to prevent the same catastrophes that the Oath Takers can. The government could attempt to abolish the 2nd Amendment tomorrow and what's Dees going to do about it? Nothing. But, the Oath Takers will be the first line of defense in the case of such an event.

On another note, can you get me an intro? Maybe we could do lunch?
 
"It's Obama's fault people do stupdi things." I thought you believed in personal responsibility.

Yes it is Obama's fault for fostering a cult of personality.

Yes he did.

Proof or it didn't happen.

All politicians do.

No they don't, with the exception of Clinton and Obama every single POTUS in the history of this country stopped campaigning after they won the election. Obama will not stop campaigning because he is a populist demigod bent on continuing to grow his cult of personality just like Chavez, or Arbenz or any number of third world tin pot dictators.

Remember Bush suggesting his opponents were with the terrorists, and that they were UnAmerican?

Wow you're a freaking joke. Bush was saying to foreign nations that if you don't help us fight terrorism then we will consider you part of the problem, in other words states which harbor terrorists and sponsor terrorism will be held responsible as well they should. Bush never ****ing asserted that domestic or even foreign political opponents are terrorists like the Democratic Nazi Committee did. DNC. ;)

How did the state make them make that choice? What other option should there have been?

The same as the airline bailouts after 9-11. But go right ahead and support corporatist fascism.

Great comeback.

I provided 3 links proving my point with regards to illegal immigration and the DNC, and that point is that you must have been living under a rock.

Do you have proof Bush had less?

Yes:

List of U.S. executive branch czars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

31 in all 8 years versus Obama's 32 in his first year. Thanks for playing.

Maybe when you actually read a history book, and know what you're talking about, we can come back and discuss how Hitler's coming to power on themes of making their foreign enemies pay, of restoring the nation to a past glory age, of returning to family values, of promising military build up, was vastly different than Obama.

Get educated:

The fascist economic theory corporatism called for organizing each of the major sectors of industry, agriculture, the professions, and the arts into state- or management-controlled trade unions and employer associations, or “corporations,” each of which would negotiate labour contracts and working conditions and represent the general interests of their professions in a larger assembly of corporations, or “corporatist parliament.”

fascism (politics) :: Corporatism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia
 
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I have known Morris Dees for nearly forty years, and I consider him a close personal friend. I understand that he has engendered the resentment of those who would deny equal rights to all citizens and that he is the object of absolute hatred by the Ku Klux Klan, whom he has put out of business in several places. Those things don't bother me at all, because I support and pledge to defend the Constitution of the United States and to fight without cease for the ideals which it represents.


The KKK is lucky if it can get 20 people to attend a rally, they are irrelevant. however Dees and his left wing, progressive nut factory sides with black racist groups like the New Black Panther party, responsible for committing voter intimidation in PA this past election. He is anti 2nd Amendment, and has written that any group of citizens more than 3 should be banned from assembly. He is sir, anti Constitution, and IMHO, anti American. Dees is on a par with such race hustlers as Sharpton, and Jackson that do more harm to the AA community than good. You say you support and defend the Constitution, how can you say that and consider a man that holds that document in such disdain a "close personal friend"?


If you think that the "Oath Keepers" can accomplish those things (or even intend to) better than Morris Dees and his efforts on behalf of the rule of law and the application of justice on the behalf of all, then that says more about you than I could ever have imagined on my own.


Let's see, place my faith in former and current law enforcement? Or Mo' Dees? Hmmmm.....That is a tough one.....I think I'll stick with law enforcement over a word twister, and race hustling poverty pimp.


I may be posting in this forum from time to time, and I hope that you will read what I post and reflect upon it. If I can write as effectively as I think that I can, there will be plenty of food for thought. All you need is to be willing to think.


I am always thinking sir, that you use such cliche veiled insults like I should agree with what you write or I am just another non thinking boob, is laughable. And it shows a dangerous hubris in the modern leftist today.


Good day.


j-mac
 
The KKK is lucky if it can get 20 people to attend a rally, they are irrelevant. however Dees and his left wing, progressive nut factory sides with black racist groups like the New Black Panther party, responsible for committing voter intimidation in PA this past election.

That's not entirely accurate. The SPLC lists several non-white groups as racial hate groups, The Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam being a couple. Check out their website, they really do go after all hate groups.

Check out this article:

SPLCenter.org: Prejudice in Paradise
 
That's not entirely accurate. The SPLC lists several non-white groups as racial hate groups, The Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam being a couple. Check out their website, they really do go after all hate groups.

Check out this article:

SPLCenter.org: Prejudice in Paradise


SPLC, unfortunately, is a DANGEROUSLY corrupt group. I mean, hell, they put Ron Paul supporters as 'dangerous extremists', right next to the kkk, black panthers among other groups... I forget the specifics, but they either helped write, or agree with the sentiments found in the DHS report calling pro-lifers, republican AND democrat groups, constitutionalists, libertarians, pro-second ammendment groups, as 'extremist cop-killing millitia grops' ... they call the founding fathers 'terrorists' and anyone supporting the founding fathers as 'terrorist sympathizers'...

Naturally, even when I source the documents it gets denied... so if you care, search them up yourself.
 
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