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    Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/...istan-usa.html



    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. veterans criticized President Barack Obama's lengthy review of Afghan war strategy, saying on Thursday the drawn-out debate in Washington was a direct threat to troops and the nation's defence.

    The head of Veterans of Foreign Wars, a group representing 1.5 million former soldiers, issued a tersely worded statement urging Obama to follow the advice of his military commanders, who want more troops for the eight-year war.

    "The extremists are sensing weakness and indecision within the U.S. government, which plays into their hands," said Thomas J. Tradewell Sr., a Vietnam veteran and head of VFW.

    That was "evidenced by the increased attacks in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan," he said.

    "I fear that an emboldened enemy will now intensify their efforts to kill more U.S. soldiers," Tradewell added.



    This is exactly what I have been saying, and have been bashed for for weeks here at DP. Obama's fiddling endangers our troops and destroys morale. He needs to piss or get off the pot.



    I urge the president to heed the assessment and advice of his military leaders," Tradewell said, adding Obama needed to be "decisive during this critical juncture."

    Exactly.



    Nato also is wondering what to do as Obama demonstrates the same indecisiveness that he showed in the debates.
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    Re: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/10/15/world/international-uk-afghanistan-usa.

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    "In Afghanistan, the extremists are sensing weakness and indecision within the U.S. government, which plays into their hands, as evidenced by the increased attacks in Afghanistan as well as Pakistan. I fear that an emboldened enemy will now intensify their efforts to kill more U.S. soldiers.

    "President Obama’s primary responsibility is that of Commander-in-Chief, and he has a obligation to ensure his commander's advice takes precedence over opinion polls and politics. When the president addressed VFW delegates during its 110th National Convention in August, he was very specific when he stated, ‘This is not a war of choice. This is a war of necessity. Those who attacked America on 9/11 are plotting to do so again. If left unchecked, the Taliban insurgency will mean an even larger safe haven from which al Qaeda would plot to kill more Americans. So this is not only a war worth fighting. This is fundamental to the defense of our people.’

    "When the president directed more troops into Afghanistan in March, he issued a statement that said, ‘This increase is necessary to stabilize a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, which has not received the strategic attention, direction and resources it urgently requires. The Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, and al Qaeda supports the insurgency and threatens America from its safe haven along the Pakistani border.’

    "In other words, President Obama identified Afghanistan as a counterinsurgency operation requiring appropriate planning, which means our commanders are the experts in this regard, not our politicians.

    "In addition to the deployments that have occurred, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal also requested 40,000 additional troops he says are necessary to prevent the country from falling into the hands of the Taliban. That request has provoked opposition in Washington from some administration officials as well as congressional members who do not want to further escalate a war that so far has been under resourced and undermanned.

    “I urge the president to heed the assessment and advice of his military leaders who have provided a clear path forward for achieving success against al Qaeda and its allies. I ask that he be decisive during this critical juncture. Time is not a luxury when our magnificent men and women in uniform are in harm’s way,” concluded Tradewell.

    Thomas J. Tradewell Sr., was elected national commander of the 2.1 million-member Veterans of Foreign Wars of the U.S. and its Auxiliaries in August 2009. He served as an Army demolition specialist with the Americal Division in South Vietnam from 1967-1968.
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    Re: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2009/10/15/world/international-uk-afghanistan-usa.

    Can someone fix my title? Thanks!
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    You can't get a man with no brains or balls to listen to military commanders that have plenty of both. They need to send more of us(soldiers) over there or bring my brothers home, and lob a few glass makers over there. The glass makers will serve notice to Iran, and the rest of the anti American crowd that we will not tolerate any BS that threatens the American Way. All of you lame-in-love Barry lovers should be proud of the most gutless POS we have ever had as president. It is too bad you can't get rid of all the anti-American crowd(liberals) in the US. Maybe we could get San Francisco or Seattle to hold a ACLU convention, and drop a glass maker there as well.

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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    The Afghanistan war needs an infusion of troops by the spring of 2010. That means that a decision must be made in a couple three weeks.

    Yet let us not fool ourselves - again!! Afghanistan also needs an American driven political front along with economic push. Along with all of this Afghanistan needs to start owning it's own war and that means Afghan n military training and transitioning the fight from the US / Nato to the Afghans. The Afghan government needs to behave in a legitimate manner in order to gain confidence from its peoples or we will never be able to count on them to take on their own fight.

    We also need to surreptitiously kill of the bad guys hiding and operating out of Pakistan.

    All of this should have been done in 2003 but guess who went off to fight in Iraq !!!
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by CAPTDASH View Post
    You can't get a man with no brains or balls to listen to military commanders that have plenty of both. They need to send more of us(soldiers) over there or bring my brothers home, and lob a few glass makers over there. The glass makers will serve notice to Iran, and the rest of the anti American crowd that we will not tolerate any BS that threatens the American Way. All of you lame-in-love Barry lovers should be proud of the most gutless POS we have ever had as president. It is too bad you can't get rid of all the anti-American crowd(liberals) in the US. Maybe we could get San Francisco or Seattle to hold a ACLU convention, and drop a glass maker there as well.

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    You consider advocating a nuclear attack on a civilian population center of the United States to be a "great post" apdst? I'd rate it as "weak troll" myself.

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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    If the path is so clear why is Gates saying he needs to meet with Obama before a decision is made?

    Are you advocating the President make a major military strategy decision without the input of the Secretary of Defense?
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    The war in Afghanistan has no strategy, not anymore. The only strategy should be to get out. Enough with the waste of dollars and lives already.

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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    If the path is so clear why is Gates saying he needs to meet with Obama before a decision is made?

    Are you advocating the President make a major military strategy decision without the input of the Secretary of Defense?
    That should have happened the second Obama received McChrystal's report. A real CIC would have convened an emergency meeting among military leadership and told them to have a recommendation on his desk in two days. Instead, he dithered, and talked, and delayed, and went to grovel for the Olympics, and went on talk shows, and launched a war against a news channel...still nothing, still no results.

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