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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    1. Don't drop bombs on civilians.
    2. Don't participate in a fire battle when civilians may become casualties.

    So our troops can only succeed if they are allowed to openly kill civilians?
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    1. Don't drop bombs on civilians.
    2. Don't participate in a fire battle when civilians may become casualties.

    So our troops can only succeed if they are allowed to openly kill civilians?



    L so if they hide among civillians you would prefer dead americans?
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    1. Don't drop bombs on civilians.
    2. Don't participate in a fire battle when civilians may become casualties.

    So our troops can only succeed if they are allowed to openly kill civilians?

    I agree that we shouldn't openly target civilians, that's just common sense. However, we can't refuse to engage the enemy everytime there is a chance that there may be civilian casualties. To do that is inviting failure and death upon our soldiers...just some more common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    L so if they hide among civillians you would prefer dead americans?
    How would there be dead Americans if no fighting occurs?
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I agree that we shouldn't openly target civilians, that's just common sense. However, we can't refuse to engage the enemy everytime there is a chance that there may be civilian casualties. To do that is inviting failure and death upon our soldiers...just some more common sense.
    I can't seem to find the exact Rules of Engagement so I don't know what the proper response is in every instace. From what I got from what I did read we shouldn't bomb places we know civilians are present and we shouldn't conduct fire fights in the middle of a market place. Which seems to me would be pretty standard operating procedures for urban warfare.

    I highly doubt we would enforce a full retreat if a single civilian was present.

    I just don't buy the dramatization that soldiers are increasingly dieing and the war is being lost because American soldiers aren't allowed to kill civilians.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    How would there be dead Americans if no fighting occurs?
    If the enemy shoots and our troops don't, American soldiers will die and the enemy will not. Not only that, but it will conserve the enemy's combat power and boosting his morale, for the next battle, where American troops will die. You can't fight a war with one hand tied around your balls.


    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I can't seem to find the exact Rules of Engagement so I don't know what the proper response is in every instace. From what I got from what I did read we shouldn't bomb places we know civilians are present and we shouldn't conduct fire fights in the middle of a market place. Which seems to me would be pretty standard operating procedures for urban warfare.
    Firefights aren't conducted, they just happen and as is the nature of war, you have little control over when and where they happen. When the enemy initiates contact, you have zero control.



    I just don't buy the dramatization that soldiers are increasingly dieing and the war is being lost because American soldiers aren't allowed to kill civilians.
    If American soldiers are prohibited from engaging the enemy, just because there may be civilian casualties, then yes, American soldiers will die in increased numbers.

    It's alerady been proven that if we go head-to-head with the enemy, there will be a 10:1, or better, kill ratio--1 of ours for 10 of their's. If that ratio drops, then something is wrong.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The "tone" of the post was a over-compensating internet tough guy trying to show how badass he is. Do you agree with the tone because you hold a similar mindset?
    Listen sir, I am no internet tough guy. I am a SOLDIER. I do not condone the wasting of my brothers fighting around the world, while you sit in the safety and freedom of your home, even debating the cause. You either support the military or you are an enemy of it. If you are an enemy, then you should just make like a tree and leave. Obama is a puke like Bush in my opinion, but at least Bush had a pair of balls, and the brains to listen to his military leaders. Obama has neither.
    I certainly believe that the USA would be a better place with people who loved it. The rest of you would be better served gone or dust. If you honestly think I come onto a website to show how badass I am, then you are certainly a PINHEAD. I couldn't care less about debating America Haters, but you just happened to fart my way.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by CAPTDASH View Post
    Listen sir, I am no internet tough guy. I am a SOLDIER. I do not condone the wasting of my brothers fighting around the world, while you sit in the safety and freedom of your home, even debating the cause.
    Then that is unfortunate for you, because that is exactly what a soldier fights for.

    Quote Originally Posted by CAPTDASH View Post
    You either support the military or you are an enemy of it.
    Does that include the commander in Chief?

    Quote Originally Posted by CAPTDASH View Post
    at least Bush had a pair of balls, and the brains to listen to his military leaders. Obama has neither.
    I wouldn't blame the military for Bushes massive blunders.

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    I certainly believe that the USA would be a better place with people who loved it.
    I guess that means only people who agree with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    I guess that means only people who agree with you?
    It's been my experience, that alotta folks that tend to not agree with me, tend to be less prouder than most to be Americans. Those are the, "fair weather patriots", I frequently speak of. Folks who are dyed in the wool Americans when things are going their way, but embarressed to be Americans when they're not. While all Librulz aren't like that, all fair weather patriots are Librulz. You're a fair weather patriot. You're all about serving in the military, as long as there's something in it for you. If not, then you say, "****'em". I just can't imagine how sad it is to live a life by that mantra. I'm about to cry just thinking about it. I feel so sorry for you.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Then that is unfortunate for you, because that is exactly what a soldier fights for.



    Does that include the commander in Chief?



    I wouldn't blame the military for Bushes massive blunders.



    I guess that means only people who agree with you?
    If you had taken reading comprehension in school instead of spending your time baking cookies with the girls in home ec, you would be able to understand I said LOVE AMERICA not LOVE CAPTDASH. There are millions of people who think differently than I do, but they love America. If I happen to think of a libral that fits into those millions, I will let you know, so hold your breath.
    For God so loved the USA, he gave unto it men,rough around the edges who hunt, fish, and do work the rest of you lazy clowns shun. God called these people Red Necks.

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