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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I guess I have never seen a real CiC in action then. Bush also took months to make a decision on strategy changes in Iraq.



    Link to where he had troops sit in harms way while he decided whether to pull out or continue.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Link to where he had troops sit in harms way while he decided whether to pull out or continue.
    Obama isn't deciding to pull our or continue. He's deciding on whether to change the primary objective towards Al-Q rather then the Taliban.


    While commanders in Iraq sit and wait for a request for 20,000 troop increase to be granted by Bush. Bush says "I'm not going to be rushed On Iraq" strategy.
    Bush: I'm Not Going To Be Rushed On Iraq - CBS News
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Obama isn't deciding to pull our or continue. He's deciding on whether to change the primary objective towards Al-Q rather then the Taliban.


    Bush: I'm Not Going To Be Rushed On Iraq [Strategy], while commanders in Iraq sit and wait for a request for 20,000 troop increase to be granted.
    Bush: I'm Not Going To Be Rushed On Iraq - CBS News



    you see the difference here? Bush was activley persuing solution. Obama is fiddling in indecision.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    you see the difference here? Bush was activley persuing solution. Obama is fiddling in indecision.
    Oh I don't deny Obama should have met and had all the options a while ago. At the same time I also don't pretend to believe determining the overall strategy that impacts hundreds of thousands of peoples lives and billions of dollars is a decision that can happen in over a lunch meeting.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Oh I don't deny Obama should have met and had all the options a while ago. At the same time I also don't pretend to believe determining the overall strategy that impacts hundreds of thousands of peoples lives and billions of dollars is a decision that can happen in over a lunch meeting.



    The lunch meeting was 70+ days ago.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    The lunch meeting was 70+ days ago.
    Why is Gates saying he still needs to meet with Obama and go over all the options before Obama can make a decision?
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Why is Gates saying he still needs to meet with Obama and go over all the options before Obama can make a decision?



    When did he say that? What date?
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    you see the difference here? Bush was actively perusing solution. Obama is fiddling in indecision.
    The need for active invasion was not as cut and dry, in regards to national security, as some would like to believe.
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    When did he say that? What date?
    October 19, 2009

    [Gates] pointed out that further high-level deliberations would need to wait for the return of cabinet members from foreign travels through part of next week.

    "It's just a matter now of getting the time with the president when we can sort through these options and then tee them up for him to make a decision," Gates said.
    He also goes on to say that we should confront NATO about additional troop support before America dedicates more troops.

    Gates said he did not need to wait for a U.S. decision on troops to speak to NATO allies about McChrystal's resource request, saying "the reality is that this is an alliance issue."

    "We ought to do this in a way that if General McChrystal has a set of needs, it should not be looked upon as exclusively the responsibility of the United States to respond," he said.

    "So I think that having a discussion of that and the fact that this is a continuing shared responsibility makes it entirely appropriate to have that conversation in Bratislava, before decisions are made by the United States."
    U.S. decision can't wait for Afghan legitimacy: Gates | Reuters
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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The need for active invasion was not as cut and dry, in regards to national security, as some would like to believe.



    My point is as the head of the VFW, and many of us vets are saying here and now is Obama's indecisiveness is putting troops lives in jeaopardy. We can argue whether or not Bush had a similar situation but I find that pointless. Obama needs to make a decision. NOW.
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