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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The war in Afghanistan has no strategy, not anymore. The only strategy should be to get out. Enough with the waste of dollars and lives already.
    I'm starting to feel this way, too. Obama is a coward. He doesn't have the stomach to finish this war. It'll only result in defeat and death.

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    Military forces are not designed for "nation building," they are designed to confront, contain, and defeat armed enemies. But in Afghanistan defeating the Taliban will require the willing cooperation and support of the population. We do not have that, and there is no reason to expect that we will ever get such support.

    For that reason, I would propose a redical redefinition of our mission there--focusing solely upon destruction of those elements which constitute a danger to the United States and its allies, and abandoning any pretense that we can remake a society which has been thousands of years in its formation. Cut back on the number of American troops there, enlist the cooperation of those fcorces which helped us drive the Taliban from power in 2001, pay off whoever we need to pay off, and get the bad guys. Then bring ALL our boys and girls home as quickly as possible.

    We cannot "conquer" Afghanistan and we cannot occupy it for the next two centuries. So let's agree to pursue a strategy that is attainable.

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    A weak troll, is that what you call people who you disagreeeee with? You can't come up with a post with substance to refute me, so you just call me a troll, and weak at that. Grab your ruck & M16 and come go with me, and we shall see who the weak is. The best thing that could happen to this country is the total annihilation of all of you people who hate America. I just can't understand why all of you Haters just don't move to cuba or Venezuala, where you can tell those Socialist regimes how to do it. Yet you remain here in the country you hate so bad. The best thing that could happen in the short term is for Obama to declare a dictakership, and then it would simply be easier to overthrow the govt, and flush the toilet of all the scumbags in the govt. You sir, are simply WEAK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    You consider advocating a nuclear attack on a civilian population center of the United States to be a "great post" apdst? I'd rate it as "weak troll" myself.

    I agree with the tone of the post, not the specific nuclear attack. You'll figure out that kinda stuff when you grow up.
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    On one hand, Obama has to get a handle on what's really going down there. But he has to do so in a manner which best serves the military. But I wouldn't expect an end to this any time soon. These wars we started....we ****ed them up since the beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    On one hand, Obama has to get a handle on what's really going down there. But he has to do so in a manner which best serves the military. But I wouldn't expect an end to this any time soon. These wars we started....we ****ed them up since the beginning.

    And just how many lives must be wasted while Rhambo slow walks this through the decisions process? 100? 200? 500? This is disgusting! Obama has had these recommendations on his desk for going on 60 DAYS now. What the hell is he doing?


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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    The damage is done, and at the risk of someone saying we are using troops death for politics (a disgusting notion)., I agree with Jmac. I agree with ethereal, If Obama took this as serious as he took the olympics, a decision would have been made by now.


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    Re: Afghan War Debate Endangers U.S. Troops - Veterans

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    On one hand, Obama has to get a handle on what's really going down there. But he has to do so in a manner which best serves the military. But I wouldn't expect an end to this any time soon. These wars we started....we ****ed them up since the beginning.
    It is not the President's job to "best serve the military." His assignment is to best serve the people of the United States. If, in his best judgment, that means withdrawing from ill-conceived and inadequately supported military operations, then it is his duty to order them military to withdraw. If, on the other hand, he can identify a realistic military objective which will better serve the interests of the American people, it is his responsibility to provide the military with all the personnel and support which they need to fulfill their mission.

    But neither course is automatically correct. It is a matter of having a clearly defined goal and a realistic way to achieve it. That is something we have not had for the past eight years, and Mr. Obama is only going to get one chance to get it right. I don't blame him for being careful--those are our sons and daughters whose lives are being put at risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheHighForester View Post
    It is not the President's job to "best serve the military." His assignment is to best serve the people of the United States. If, in his best judgment, that means withdrawing from ill-conceived and inadequately supported military operations, then it is his duty to order them military to withdraw. If, on the other hand, he can identify a realistic military objective which will better serve the interests of the American people, it is his responsibility to provide the military with all the personnel and support which they need to fulfill their mission.

    But neither course is automatically correct. It is a matter of having a clearly defined goal and a realistic way to achieve it. That is something we have not had for the past eight years, and Mr. Obama is only going to get one chance to get it right. I don't blame him for being careful--those are our sons and daughters whose lives are being put at risk.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That should have happened the second Obama received McChrystal's report. A real CIC would have convened an emergency meeting among military leadership and told them to have a recommendation on his desk in two days. Instead, he dithered, and talked, and delayed, and went to grovel for the Olympics, and went on talk shows, and launched a war against a news channel...still nothing, still no results.
    I guess I have never seen a real CiC in action then. Bush also took months to make a decision on strategy changes in Iraq.
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