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Ahmadinejad vows to avenge bombing [EDIT]

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Ahmadinejad: We will strike back at those behind blast | Iranian - Iran News | Jerusalem Post

I can only hope that this is the first of many such strikes leading to the final, painful death of the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers running the iranian government today.

May many more body blows against this cancerous dictatorship, this tumor in the middle east, be struck until the enemy that is the IRI be wiped from the map forever.

Death to the Khameinist fascist regime!!
 
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See:

Ahmadinejad: We will strike back at those behind blast | Iranian - Iran News | Jerusalem Post

I can only hope that this is the first of many such strikes leading to the final, painful death of the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers running the iranian government today.

May many more body blows against this cancerous dictatorship, this tumor in the middle east, be struck until the enemy that is the IRI be wiped from the map forever.

Death to the Khameinist fascist regime!!

This was Ahmadinejad's response:

"The criminals will soon get the response for their anti-human crimes"

Meanwhile the Iranian government is on track to execute the 7 members of the national Baha'i leadership there for insulting Islam.

Who is committing the anti-human crimes? I think he who smelt it dealt it.
 
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It was probably the PMOI. Whether there was involvement on the part of foreign intelligence agencies won't be clear for some time, though.
 
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If it was only the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that got hurt I believe it can only be described as a guerrilla warfare act.

A terrorist attack happens when civilians are being the target.
I don't think the reports are certain about that though.
 
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Iranian official blames deadly bombing on 'U.S. actions'
Iranian official blames deadly bombing on 'U.S. actions' - CNN.com

In a typical response from the Iranian government "Earlier, Iran pointed the finger at the United States without disclosing its reasons." The spokeman for the cabal of real terrorists who run the Iranian govenment parliament Speaker Ali Larijani. claimed "We consider this recent terrorist act to be the result of the U.S. actions and this is a sign of their enmity".

So the world is supposed to believe a spokeman of a government that guns down peaceful protestors ? I don't hink so.
 
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If it was only the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that got hurt I believe it can only be described as a guerrilla warfare act.

A terrorist attack happens when civilians are being the target.
I don't think the reports are certain about that though.

As you probably read in the other thread Jundallah is responsible. They have a history of attacking civillian targets such as mosques an many of their members have Interpol warrants on them. It would seam "terroist" is quite accurate
 
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If it was only the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that got hurt I believe it can only be described as a guerrilla warfare act.

A terrorist attack happens when civilians are being the target.
I don't think the reports are certain about that though.

You are technically correct but if terrorists are attacked with a terrorists act why do we care ? The Iranian Revolutionary Guard must be fighting fire with fire.
 
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"The criminals will soon get the response for their anti-human crimes,"
Ah, the hypocrisy. I'm sorry for the civilian lives that were lost, if any, but is hardly in a position to say that. If you want anti-human crimes, look in your own government, Ahmadinejad.

If it was only the Iranian Revolutionary Guard that got hurt I believe it can only be described as a guerrilla warfare act.

A terrorist attack happens when civilians are being the target.
I don't think the reports are certain about that though.

It did say there were 26 other casualties, but obviously that doesn't necessarily mean civilians.
 
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There's certainly closer relations between U.S. ruling administrations and Jundallah than between U.S. ruling administrations and Mujahideen-e Khalq, so that may in fact increase the probability of CIA involvement. Since the U.S. has previously been governed by a political regime responsible for the effective destruction of democracy in Iran through support for the 1953 coup d'etat and support of the dictatorial monarch that was granted effectively undisputed power after this event, it's not surprising that suspicion would be aimed in that direction either.
 
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As you probably read in the other thread Jundallah is responsible. They have a history of attacking civillian targets such as mosques an many of their members have Interpol warrants on them. It would seam "terroist" is quite accurate
First of all, nobody knows which organization is behind the attack as for present time, do not jump into conclusions.
Secondly, I was speaking about the act itself and not the organization behind it being a terror organization or not, the act of attacking military targets is called 'Guerrilla Warfare', do you disagree with that claim?
 
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It did say there were 26 other casualties, but obviously that doesn't necessarily mean civilians.
Indeed, which is why I stated that the reports are not that clear about it.
They say it happened near the Pakistani border or something, so the first assumption would be that only soldiers were involved, but you can never know.
 
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...Since the U.S. has previously been governed by a political regime responsible for the effective destruction of democracy in Iran through support for the 1953 coup d'etat and support of the dictatorial monarch that was granted effectively undisputed power after this event, it's not surprising that suspicion would be aimed in that direction either.

You just like to lie all over this forum, don't you?

Mossadegh had disbanded parliament, and stated his intent to align himself with the USSR against his public's wishes. Yeah, he was a real democrat.

Just like hamas; you get to vote - but just once.

But anyway, just like at the other forums, you keep lying to everyone, and I'll keep correcting your nonsense.
 
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You just like to lie all over this forum, don't you?

Mossadegh had disbanded parliament, and stated his intent to align himself with the USSR against his public's wishes. Yeah, he was a real democrat.

Just like hamas; you get to vote - but just once.

But anyway, just like at the other forums, you keep lying to everyone, and I'll keep correcting your nonsense.

Actually, I don't recall having had the pleasure of interaction with your illustrious personage before. Aside from the fact that he was a democratic socialist who opposed state capitalism, Mossadeq was an ardent anti-interventionist and was ultimately opposed to the prospect of excessive Soviet influence in the country to the same extent that he was opposed to the prospect of excessive Western influence in the country; it thus seems likely that any sort of temporary alliance he sought with one would be to confront what he regarded as the excessive power of the other at the time. As for the motivation behind his removal, interest in halting Soviet intrusion did indeed exist, but so do declassified CIA documents that indicate that warnings of Soviet intrusions supported by Iran's pro-Soviet Tudah were largely inaccurate and functioned as a smokescreen, as later admitted by Dean Acheson.

1952 CIA coup in Iran, by ERVAND ABRAHAMIAN

Throughout the crisis, the “communist danger” was more of a rhetorical device than a real issue — i.e., it was part of the cold-war discourse. The British and American governments knew Mossadeq was as distrustful of the Soviet Union as of the West. In fact, they often complained to each other about his “neutralism.” They knew perfectly well that the so-called “fellow-travelers” were staunch nationalists (after the coup some of them obtained refuge in the United States). They also knew that the Tudeh, even though the largest political organization, was in no position to seize power (F0 371/Persia 1952/ 98597; FO 371/Persia 1953/104573; Declassified Documents/1981/CIA/ Doc 276). Despite 20,000 members and 110,000 sympathizers, the Tudeh was no match for the armed tribes and the 129,000-man military. What is more, the British and Americans had enough inside information to be confident that the party had no plans to initiate armed insurrection. At the beginning of the crisis when the Truman administration was under the impression a compromise was possible, Acheson had stressed the communist danger and warned if Mossadeq was not helped the Tudeh would take over (FO 371/Persia 1051/1530). The Foreign Office had retorted that the Tudeh was no real threat (FO 371/ Persia 1952/98608). But, in August 1953, when the Foreign Office echoed the Eisenhower administration’s claim that the Tudeh was about to take over, Acheson now retorted that there was no such communist danger (Roosevelt, 1979, 88). Acheson was honest enough to admit that the issue of the Tudeh was a smokescreen.

I would recommend adopting a somewhat more skeptical perspective of this matter, since merely assuming that the U.S. had some benevolent interest in preventing Soviet intrusion in the region is superficially and unduly optimistic, especially considering Mossadeq's hostility toward all varieties of foreign intervention.

Now, as to the alleged suppression of democracy and seizure of power on Mossadeq's own part, his emergency powers were granted by parliamentary decree, and were not seized or forcefully taken, as your summary succinctly insinuates. Moreover, his powers were often utilized to check monarchical power of dubious constitutionality, and their expansion was certainly far more democratic than the monarchical authorities. Moreover, the Shah did indeed cede some measure of control over the military to Mossadeq in response to protests, so perhaps the "strength" of your arguments would be better applied to Pahlavi, if you believe that transferring power from a monarch to a democratically elected prime minister has the consequence of "dismantling democracy," as some claim and you imply.

So we need to conclude by acknowledging the reality that the coup is depicted in Iran as a primary example of previous Western meddling in Iranian affairs, and as not only an offense against the relatively secular Mossadeq, but also the highly influential Ayatollah Kashani (despite the latter's conflict with Mossadeq shortly before the coup occurred). It's simply regarded as an offense against every element of legitimate political and religious authority in Iran by meddlesome Western powers.
 
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First of all, nobody knows which organization is behind the attack as for present time, do not jump into conclusions.
Secondly, I was speaking about the act itself and not the organization behind it being a terror organization or not, the act of attacking military targets is called 'Guerrilla Warfare', do you disagree with that claim?

fair enough
 
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I fail to realize how a "Terrorist strike" would be considered to be "wonderful news". The idea that something like that should make people joyous reguardless of where it happends it quite twisted.
Is this where we want to go?
 
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There's certainly closer relations between U.S. ruling administrations and Jundallah than between U.S. ruling administrations and Mujahideen-e Khalq, so that may in fact increase the probability of CIA involvement. Since the U.S. has previously been governed by a political regime responsible for the effective destruction of democracy in Iran through support for the 1953 coup d'etat and support of the dictatorial monarch that was granted effectively undisputed power after this event, it's not surprising that suspicion would be aimed in that direction either.

GMAB !!!Are going to be blamed for the 1953 actions of the British forever ?
 
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GMAB !!!Are going to be blamed for the 1953 actions of the British forever ?

The CIA support for the action indicated approval by the ruling administration of the time. Whether it's reasonable to suspect the present administration of the same aspirations is debatable, but it's certainly not entirely absurd for suspicion to exist, particularly in Iran.
 
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I fail to realize how a "Terrorist strike" would be considered to be "wonderful news". The idea that something like that should make people joyous reguardless of where it happends it quite twisted.
Is this where we want to go?

The way that I see it is that it is that the opposition used terrorism against the government of Iran who are terrorist. That's lie score in my book !!
 
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The way that I see it is that it is that the opposition used terrorism against the government of Iran who are terrorist. That's lie score in my book !!

So what's stopping titles like...

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike Israel.

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike the United States.

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike Great Britian.

Such a title that takes glee in such an act is out of line.
Who taught people in this country to conduct themselves in such spiteful ways?
 
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So what's stopping titles like...

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike Israel.

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike the United States.

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike Great Britian.

Such a title that takes glee in such an act is out of line.
Who taught people in this country to conduct themselves in such spiteful ways?

Iran is evil. The 3 you mentioned above are not.
 
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Iran is evil. The 3 you mentioned above are not.

I agree that their Government is not the best, but in many ways "Terrorist attacks" involve innocent citizens, who are not all evil.

We should not be gleefully reporting on terrorist attacks ANYWHERE.
 
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Iran is evil. The 3 you mentioned above are not.

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I fail to realize how a "Terrorist strike" would be considered to be "wonderful news". The idea that something like that should make people joyous reguardless of where it happends it quite twisted.
Is this where we want to go?

You need to understand from where <I> come from.

I consider every hamas, islamic jihad, and hezbollah attack against israel and the US to be a direct terrorist attack conducted, aided, abetted and paid for, by the iranian government. I hold the IRI DIRECTLY responsible for each of the thousands upon thousands of attacks made against israel and the US over the past several decades.

So when I see the IRI getting a taste of its own medicine, I could not be more thrilled. I just wish Israel and other nations who have suffered attacks by iranian proxies would ALSO develop their own proxy groups to strike into the heart of iran and its government, so that the US et al can claim "well, we are not attacking the iranians" as the various far left garbage likes to claim about iran on a daily basis.
 
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