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Ahmadinejad vows to avenge bombing [EDIT]

Re: Wonderful news - Terrorists strike iran

goldendog said:
So what's stopping titles like...

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike Israel.

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike the United States.

"Wonderful news - terrorists strike Great Britian.

Such a title that takes glee in such an act is out of line.
Who taught people in this country to conduct themselves in such spiteful ways?
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Are you for real? Where have you been for 30 years, while israel and the US suffered perpetual iranian-driven strikes again and again?

After after thousands have been maimed and murdered by this regime - illegitimate as one can be - you claim that we should somehow show compassion for the deaths of terrorist "military" officials with probably huge amounts of blood on their hands?

How many hundreds, if not thousands, of dead israelis and US troops in iraq are on the hands of those who were delightfully killed?
 
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Elena said:
And half the world thinks US is evil...
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The half that can read and write, or the half that cannot?
 
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rogerredy said:
I consider every hamas, islamic jihad, and hezbollah attack against israel and the US...
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I wasn't aware that those regional entities have played an active role in attacks against U.S. targets. Could you elaborate on this with properly sourced evidence on the subject?
 
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rogerredy said:
The half that can read and write, or the half that cannot?
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The half knowledgeable of the reality that U.S. ruling administrations have traditionally been and continue to be among the foremost of political regimes directly or indirectly responsible for anti-democratic coups and support of dictatorial political conditions throughout the world. This pattern has been particularly stark in Latin America, with the CIA-backed removals of democratically elected leftists Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala and Salvador Allende in Chile (who was to be replaced by the brutal military dictator Augusto Pinochet), and support of the Contras and the Somoza family of Nicaragua, Manuel Noriega of Panama, Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic, the Duvalier father and son pair of Haiti, Fulgencio Batista of Cuba, etc.
 
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Elena said:
And half the world thinks US is evil...
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We aren't concerned with their opinion as such. We are concerned with the ability to freely express opinions. That's why that half (or not half) of the world is mistaken and/or their opinions are irrelevant.
 
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bhkad said:
We aren't concerned with their opinion as such. We are concerned with the ability to freely express opinions. That's why that half (or not half) of the world is mistaken and/or their opinions are irrelevant.
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Who is this ambiguous "we" that you refer to? See, the implication that a political regime can cloak itself in the garb of representing the sentiments of a country's entire citizenry in every way, shape, and form provides the basis for your attacks on "self-loathing Americans" when they're critical of governmental policy. There's a reason that I say "U.S. political regimes have a long history of suppression of democratic and libertarian conditions" rather than "We have a long history of suppression of democratic and libertarian conditions."
 
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Agnapostate said:
I wasn't aware that those regional entities have played an active role in attacks against U.S. targets. Could you elaborate on this with properly sourced evidence on the subject?
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Don't play ignorant. You know that Iranians and Iranian arms have been found in Iraq.
 
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bhkad said:
Iran is evil. The 3 you mentioned above are not.
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The people who lost their lives are not necessarily evil, however.

I stand against terrorism for that reason, and I would invite any and all in this forum to join me in decrying terrorist attacks that by design and BY VERY DEFINITION kill innocent people. Now, the revolutionary guard is another story, since actions taken here can be considered guerilla warfare, but I think people should be careful to avoid supporting terrorism.
 
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bhkad said:
Don't play ignorant. You know that Iranians and Iranian arms have been found in Iraq.
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That would be an understandable (though not necessarily justifiable) action of the Iranian political regime, considering that the U.S. was long governed by a political regime that candidly admitted their involvement in attempts to destabilize Iranian political affairs, but I referred to Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad. They are certainly not organizations with the power to attack U.S. targets or comparable to Al Qaeda in any meaningful way.
 
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bhkad said:
We aren't concerned with their opinion as such. We are concerned with the ability to freely express opinions. That's why that half (or not half) of the world is mistaken and/or their opinions are irrelevant.
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Oops.....someone apparently still thinks it's 2003.

Sorry kiddo....but the adults are back in charge. We, in fact, are concerned with their "opinion as such" (google "diplomacy" for elaboration).

What we are not concerned with is YOUR opinion. Elections have consequences....it is you who are entirely irrelevant.
 
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I fail to see how a terrorist strike anywhere would be deemed as "wonderful news". I realize some people don't like Iran, but it is mainly the leadership that they take issue with. Are you saying that innocent civilians in Iran deserve to get blown up simply because you don't agree with the politics of the Iranian government?
 
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That would appear to be the case. Hardly surprising though....given how slight the difference in mindset between the average jihadist and the average "conservative".
 
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REO SpeedDealer said:
Oops.....someone apparently still thinks it's 2003.

Sorry kiddo....but the adults are back in charge. We, in fact, are concerned with their "opinion as such" (google "diplomacy" for elaboration).

What we are not concerned with is YOUR opinion. Elections have consequences....it is you who are entirely irrelevant.
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I'm probably your elder, kiddo. 1954.
 
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rogerredy said:
See:

Ahmadinejad: We will strike back at those behind blast | Iranian - Iran News | Jerusalem Post

I can only hope that this is the first of many such strikes leading to the final, painful death of the fascist dictatorship of thugs and murderers running the iranian government today.

May many more body blows against this cancerous dictatorship, this tumor in the middle east, be struck until the enemy that is the IRI be wiped from the map forever.

Death to the Khameinist fascist regime!!
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Why is this good?
Will everything stay the same forever if this doesn't happen?
Terrorists strikes mean death, are you saying you approve of this?
What do you know of Iran? Do the people want this, or a small minority?

I am curious, why do you believe this is the greatest thing since ___________?

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REO SpeedDealer said:
Then what's your excuse?

Stop thinking like a child.
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We think the way we think. I'd ask you to begin thinking.
 
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I am reveling in the irony of American observers cheering on this successful terrorist attack.
 
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Orius said:
I am reveling in the irony of American observers cheering on this successful terrorist attack.
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They Know not what they say fore they are intoxicated by the hateful spirits of warmongers and hatemongers of times past.
 
Re: Wonderful news - Terrorists strike iran

Agnapostate said:
That would be an understandable (though not necessarily justifiable) action of the Iranian political regime, considering that the U.S. was long governed by a political regime that candidly admitted their involvement in attempts to destabilize Iranian political affairs, but I referred to Hezbollah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad. They are certainly not organizations with the power to attack U.S. targets or comparable to Al Qaeda in any meaningful way.
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I think you should conduct some further research into Al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, and terrorist organizations in general before making a claim that Hezbollah isn't comparable to Al-Qaeda in any "meaningful way."

I will help you out this time for free.

The Al-Qaeda-Hezbollah Relationship - Council on Foreign Relations

Last month the FBI sent a notice to 18,000 police agencies asking them to remain wary of the Hezbollah threat. This is not the first time the FBI placed Hezbollah in its sights: A 2002 report from the agency suggested that fifty to one hundred Hamas and Hezbollah agents had infiltrated the United States at that time and were involved in fund-raising and low-level intelligence gathering. Just last year, ABC News reports, the Bureau had as many as 200 active cases involving suspected Hezbollah operatives. Hezbollah's intelligence gathering activities have been seen by some officials as contingency planning should either group wish to launch attacks in the United States. The group has consistently shown itself to be one of the most innovative and effective terrorist groups in the world. As then-Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage explained in a September 2002 speech, "Hezbollah may be the A team of terrorists and maybe al-Qaeda is actually the B team."

Likewise, James Woolsey, former director of the Central Intelligence Agency, testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee in February that "Ahmadinejad who is close to Hezbollah, says that he knows of the 29 sensitive sites in the U.S. and the West, which he has spied out and is ready to attack in order to, quote: 'End Anglo-Saxon civilization."

Hezbollah threat<br> to U.S. 'serious'


I take these assumptions very seriously and I am surprised at how many people don't realize that a U.S strike on Iran would almost certainly guarantee a spectacular Hezbollah attack within our borders. This is certainly a concern for policy makers, and one that I am sure influences their decisions.
 
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Re: Wonderful news - Terrorists strike iran

First, the OP...

This is absolutely terrible news, based on recent events such as Russia warning to not 'pressure' Iran1, as well as talks between israel and russia2 (Of course those talks were to declare that israel has NO INTEREST in attacking Iran...

Since american interests seem intertwined with israeli interests, I wouldn't put it past this attack being from one or the other... trying to 'soften them up' before the real war starts.

bhkad said:
Iran is evil. The 3 you mentioned above are not.
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Those 3 others are far from innocent either... don't be mistaken.

rogerredy said:
You need to understand from where <I> come from.

I consider every hamas, islamic jihad, and hezbollah attack against israel and the US to be a direct terrorist attack conducted, aided, abetted and paid for, by the iranian government. I hold the IRI DIRECTLY responsible for each of the thousands upon thousands of attacks made against israel and the US over the past several decades.

So when I see the IRI getting a taste of its own medicine, I could not be more thrilled. I just wish Israel and other nations who have suffered attacks by iranian proxies would ALSO develop their own proxy groups to strike into the heart of iran and its government, so that the US et al can claim "well, we are not attacking the iranians" as the various far left garbage likes to claim about iran on a daily basis.
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Do you have any sort of evidence to offer, or is it just the assumption that is made?

bhkad said:
Don't play ignorant. You know that Iranians and Iranian arms have been found in Iraq.
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So a countries allegience can be derived by whether or not any of their weapons show up in a different country??

REO SpeedDealer said:
Oops.....someone apparently still thinks it's 2003.

Sorry kiddo....but the adults are back in charge. We, in fact, are concerned with their "opinion as such" (google "diplomacy" for elaboration).
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Ya... american diplomacy (at least since Bush) has been essentiall : Do what we say or we'll carpet bomb your country into submission.


What we are not concerned with is YOUR opinion. Elections have consequences....it is you who are entirely irrelevant.
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This is a shameful view of what politics has become in this country... YOU HAD YOUR VOTE NOW SIT DOWN AND SHUT UP (we got swat teams on standby),

Those in power are meant to be REPRESENTATIVE of the wishes of the people in general...

No, I take that back... how al-quaida of me... dictators are as american as apply pie.
 
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BmanMcfly said:
So a countries allegience can be derived by whether or not any of their weapons show up in a different country??
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Ya... american diplomacy (at least since Bush) has been essentiall : Do what we say or we'll carpet bomb your country into submission.
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First - can you please cite a reliable source which reports, with evidience - that the Bush admin "carpet bombed" a country. When you cannot, please cite an instance where the Bush administration used the words "or we'll carpet bomb your country into submission", and when you cannot, please go look up the phrase, "carpet bomb" and educate yourself. :roll:

BmanMcfly said:
Those in power are meant to be REPRESENTATIVE of the wishes of the people in general...

No, I take that back... how al-quaida of me... dictators are as american as apply pie.
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Representation is still in the hands of the people. If those people become apathetic in their duty to vote for a person or persons who consistently do not do what they want, it is not the government's fault it is the fault of the people who ALLOW these things to continue. I'd love to blame it all on government but ... in fact, it's the collective "we" who vote at the lowest levels of locality and state governments which make the most or least impact.

If we have dictators - we the people, are at fault for allowing them to exist.
 
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Ockham said:
First - can you please cite a reliable source which reports, with evidience - that the Bush admin "carpet bombed" a country. When you cannot, please cite an instance where the Bush administration used the words "or we'll carpet bomb your country into submission", and when you cannot, please go look up the phrase, "carpet bomb" and educate yourself. :roll:
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I was speaking in an off the cuff fashion... referring to Bush-Saddam 'diplomacy' where it was openly in (my local, at least) newspapers that Bush's idea of 'diplomacy' boils down to "Do what we want or it's war."... Although, I'm sure by some definitions 'shock and awe' could be seen as a 'controlled carpet bombing'... but my point was more along the lines of the diplomacy through threats then the issue of carpet bombing.


Representation is still in the hands of the people. If those people become apathetic in their duty to vote for a person or persons who consistently do not do what they want, it is not the government's fault
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This is an interesting point... I can't deny the apathy, and that apathy has grown to detrimental levels.

However, it's not just apathy, but media which has sold us these politicians and shunned any alternative to 'officialdom' for so long (at least since JFK if not before then) that the apathy COULD be an intentional effect of media controls... tv and other media has proven mind manipulation effects.

So, in a sense the logic is 'people have been mind numbed through media' and because they are so 'mind numb' that they have become apathetic, and because the people have 'allowed' this to happen it's their own fault if they elect the next dictator.

it is the fault of the people who ALLOW these things to continue.
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The revolution has already begun... though what little media mention it gets always emphasizes that it's a 'fringe' group of people.

I'd love to blame it all on government but ... in fact, it's the collective "we" who vote at the lowest levels of locality and state governments which make the most or least impact.
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While I agree with you in a sense, IMO it's much more of a symbiotic process.

If we have dictators - we the people, are at fault for allowing them to exist.
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Bush acted like a dictator, Obama will build on those actions... but even if Mccain had won we'd be in roughly the same situation today. So, if it's a 'lose-lose' decision about freedom, where the vast majority will vote for a major party instead of a party that might actually represent their real wishes... the blame on the people is shared.
 
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Orius said:
I am reveling in the irony of American observers cheering on this successful terrorist attack.
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Please refer yourself to post #5 before you are jumping into assumptions.
 
Re: Wonderful news - Terrorists strike iran

Just Plain Jim said:
Why is this good?
Will everything stay the same forever if this doesn't happen?
Terrorists strikes mean death, are you saying you approve of this?
What do you know of Iran? Do the people want this, or a small minority?

I am curious, why do you believe this is the greatest thing since ___________?

.
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Its wonderful because:

1-iran is FINALLY getting a taste of their own medicine
2-it is not terrorism since soldiers were targeted
 
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