Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
And really, AF? Most of the nonsense that you post on this board comes from you having gullibly swallowed misinformation without adequate fact checking; this isn't an exception. :rofl

Ya um o.k. so you are, also, living in his assbackwards universe where the Iranian Revolutionary Guards is somehow equivalent to the United Kingdom's police force. Oh that's right you think Chavez has decentralized Venezuela. Aint no cure for stupid I suppose, here's your sign.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Elena said:
"elected" US glove puppet government.

Get educated lady, the Iraqi elections were certified as free and fair by the United Nations and various other independent observers and the Iraqi people ratified a Constitution which guarantees that Iraqi oil will always be the property of the Iraqi people and what to do with that oil will always be determined by the Iraqi people by their dually elected representatives. But I understand that you support Iraqi oil being in the hands of the Tikriti Baathist elite rather than in the hands of the Iraqi people. :roll:

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
Ya um o.k. so you are, also, living in his assbackwards universe where the Iranian Revolutionary Guards is somehow equivalent to the United Kingdom's police force. Oh that's right you think Chavez has decentralized Venezuela. Aint no cure for stupid I suppose, here's your sign.

Don't make me laugh, Mr. F. Your failure to respond to the statistics I cited was the cause for my failure to respond to your rambling when it came to that subject. Then again, since you're not even aware of the nature of Alvaro Uribe's corrupt supporters, I'm hardly surprised...

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Elena said:
That cop killed a man for strolling in front of him.

WTF are you talking about? Your garnered that from a still photo showing a man and a few cops? Proof or it didn't happen.

When shall we expect the US military might to free and democratise us?

Ya you're laughable.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
Don't make me laugh, Mr. F. Your failure to respond to the statistics I cited was the cause for my failure to respond to your rambling when it came to that subject. Then again, since you're not even aware of the nature of Alvaro Uribe's corrupt supporters, I'm hardly surprised...

Wow you're a joke. The cooperatives answer directly to the federal government in Venezuela. But again in your ass backwards universe the nationalization of transportation hubs, media outlets, major industries once controlled and/or regulated by states, localities, and private interests, in order to bring them under direct control of the Federal government and appointing regional vice presidents working for the federal government to undermine the authority of local governors is decentralization. But here in the real world that is the textbook definition of centralization. Quite frankly sir you have no freaking clue what you are talking about. But I guess I have to pull a Stephanopolous and bust out the god damn dictionary:

Centralization - the act of consolidating power under a central control

Decentralization - the spread of power away from the center to local branches or governments

Chavez's policies are the exact antithesis to decentralization. But in your world up is down, left is right, and black is white.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!!!

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
Wow you're a joke. The cooperatives answer directly to the federal government in Venezuela. But again in your ass backwards universe the nationalization of transportation hubs, media outlets, major industries once controlled and/or regulated by states, localities, and private interests, in order to bring them under direct control of the Federal government and appointing regional vice presidents working for the federal government to undermine the authority of local governors is decentralization. But here in the real world that is the textbook definition of centralization. Quite frankly sir you have no freaking clue what you are talking about.

Again, I'm not interested in your blubbering about de jure nationalization and ignorance of de jure and de facto decentralization through grassroots cooperative management even with national ownership mechanisms in place. Private ownership of industry is the very essence of centralization considering the prevalence of market power in the capitalist economy, so your objection would be inconsistent even if it were true, which it of course is not. :shrug:

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
Again, I'm not interested in your blubbering about de jure nationalization and ignorance of de jure and de facto decentralization through grassroots cooperative management even with national ownership mechanisms in place. Private ownership of industry is the very essence of centralization considering the prevalence of market power in the capitalist economy, so your objection would be inconsistent even if it were true, which it of course is not. :shrug:

You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the INTI has seized private estates and these "worker cooperatives" answer directly to the federal government, that is centralization not decentralization. Get eductated.

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
You don't have a clue what you're talking about, the INTI has seized private estates and these "worker cooperatives" answer directly to the federal government, that is centralization not decentralization. Get eductated.

*facepalm* :rofl

It's a matter of national ownership and grassroots management; I've posted an source documenting the expansion of cooperative management over the past decade, which you simply chose to ignore. Stop derailing this thread, anyway.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
*facepalm* :rofl

It's a matter of national ownership and grassroots management; I've posted an source documenting the expansion of cooperative management over the past decade, which you simply chose to ignore. Stop derailing this thread, anyway.

You've posted a source claiming that the forced nationalization of private estates for a federally controlled National Land Institute is decentralization when in fact it is the exact opposite. But yes in your ass backwards universe state seizure of private lands = decentralization, up is down, black is white, and night is day. :roll:

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
You've posted a source claiming that the forced nationalization of private estates for a federally controlled National Land Institute is decentralization when in fact it is the exact opposite. But yes in your ass backwards universe state seizure of private lands = decentralization, up is down, black is white, and night is day. :roll:

Having some trouble staying on topic? I suppose I'd do the same if I'd only made inaccurate comments about the thread subject.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
Having some trouble staying on topic? I suppose I'd do the same if I'd only made inaccurate comments about the thread subject.

Yep the military occupation and forced expropriation of privately owned lands by the National Land Institute = decentralization in your ass backwards universe. "Workers Cooperatives" lmfao.

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
Yep the military occupation and forced expropriation of privately owned lands by the National Land Institute = decentralization in your ass backwards universe. "Workers Cooperatives" lmfao.

Yet another off-topic post made by you. Can't you at least get back to defending the democratic credentials of the Shah or something?

Elena · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
Get educated lady, the Iraqi elections were certified as free and fair by the United Nations and various other independent observers

I guess, no one told Iraqis their elections were "certifyed"

lamo ), otherwise they would've shown at least some support for their "president".

Elena · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
WTF are you talking about? Your garnered that from a still photo showing a man and a few cops? Proof or it didn't happen.

.

Read the papers, dear.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
Yet another off-topic post made by you.

I understand, can't defend your corporatist fascist dear leader now can you? "Libertarian" in your world = fascist tin pot dictatorship.

Can't you at least get back to defending the democratic credentials of the Shah or something?

It was Mossadeq not the Shah who dissolved parliament through a fraudulent referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yay vote. The Shah has as much democratic credentials as the tyrant Mossadeq.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Elena said:
Read the papers, dear.

Provide a link or STFU.

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Elena said:
I guess, no one told Iraqis their elections were "certifyed" lamo ), otherwise they would've shown at least some support for their "president".

Um they did when they risked their lives to vote for him.

I’ve been waiting to post about this until the first official results were released today. Iraq has completed its first local elections since 2005. The elections were free of violence and certified free and fair by international observers. Security for the elections was handled entirely by the Iraqis themselves, a major accomplishment.

Iraq elections: Good news for Iraq and US Sanity Injection

Facts are stubborn things.

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
I understand, can't defend your corporatist fascist dear leader now can you? "Libertarian" in your world = fascist tin pot dictatorship.

It was Mossadeq not the Shah who dissolved parliament through a fraudulent referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yay vote. The Shah has as much democratic credentials as the tyrant Mossadeq.

I don't have time for repetitive nonsense, comrade! You'll have to refer to my previous posts instead of asking that I generate the same content to reply to this same propaganda. :shrug:

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
I don't have time for repetitive nonsense, comrade! You'll have to refer to my previous posts instead of asking that I generate the same content to reply to this same propaganda. :shrug:

Already responded to your bull**** assertions that a military occupation and forceful expropriation of privately held estates by the INTI = decentralization. You're a joke.

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
Already responded to your bull**** assertions that a military occupation and forceful expropriation of privately held estates by the INTI = decentralization. You're a joke.

No, that content merely has no relevance to this thread...though the mere ideology of anarchism might prevent you from making the fallacious assertion that socialist collectivization is somehow more "centralized" than private ownership in a capitalist economy characterized by the prevalence of market power anyway. :rofl

Agent Ferris · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
No, that content merely has no relevance to this thread...though the mere ideology of anarchism might prevent you from making the fallacious assertion that socialist collectivization is somehow more "centralized" than private ownership in a capitalist economy characterized by the prevalence of market power anyway. :rofl

Yep in the ass backwards universe of agnopostate "socialist collectivization" aka military occupation by FEDERAL troops and the forced expropriation of privately held estates on behalf of the FEDERALLY controlled National Institute of Land (INTI) = decentralization.

Black is white, up is down, night is day, and centralization is decentralization.

:roll:

EPIC FAIL!!!

Agnapostate · Oct 21, 2009

Agent Ferris said:
Yep in the ass backwards universe of "socialist collectivization" aka military occupation with federal troops and the forced expropriation of privately held estates on behalf of the federally controlled National Institute of Land (INTI) = decentralization.

Black is white, up is down, night is day, and centralization is decentralization.

:roll:

EPIC FAIL!!!

Nope! It's a matter of expansion of direct management by SUNACOOP, m'boy, not that I'd expect you to be sufficiently familiar with the political situation there to know what that is. Best get back to celebrating the SAVAK democrats in this thread; I don't plan on responding to any further off-topic posts. :2wave:

rogerredy · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
Again, I'm not interested in your blubbering about de jure nationalization and ignorance of de jure and de facto decentralization through grassroots cooperative management even with national ownership mechanisms in place. Private ownership of industry is the very essence of centralization considering the prevalence of market power in the capitalist economy, so your objection would be inconsistent even if it were true, which it of course is not. :shrug:

You are so FOS it is hilarious, I am giving this board about 2 weeks or so before they fire you from here as well.

Private ownership = centralization? Ever take an economics class? EVER?

rogerredy · Oct 21, 2009

Elena said:
I guess, no one told Iraqis their elections were "certifyed" lamo ), otherwise they would've shown at least some support for their "president".

Advice for you as well, please stop posting. You are embarrassing yourself off of this board...

rogerredy · Oct 21, 2009

Agnapostate said:
I don't have time for repetitive nonsense, comrade! You'll have to refer to my previous posts instead of asking that I generate the same content to reply to this same propaganda. :shrug:

As if your prior garbage was worth referring back to.

You are a joke, a poster who thinks that tossing lofty-sounding terms and hyperbole will shade your obvious ignorance and lack of understanding of the facts and history being discussed.

Sorry Obama, but your paper-mache-thick opproproprisms impress noone save the cheap seats, so stop wasting our time trying to sound eurdite, it just isn't working Mr. Chomsky... :roll: