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Ya I know those pesky international observers demonstrating the facts. Who needs them?

Don't you know, AF, that international observers are only valid when certifying elections for leftwing dictators like Chavez?

I'm sure that this "poster" was clamoring about how Jimma Carter and the UN "certified" Chavez' various elective wins recently...
 
So far you demonstrated nothing but rethoric learned from the pages of your stuck in a Cold War mentality media. I understand why you don't want to continue, you simply run out of slogans.

Yet you have not shown one iota of evidence that the iraqi people do not support their government.

An interesting if absurd idea, since I was there twice in the past year, and everyone I spoke to was pretty happy.

But then you also mentioned how the Ukraine 2004 election was "rigged," a tipoff that you are a Putin supporter/propgandizer. Even the smarter of those stopped proffering that garbage what, 4 years ago?
 
Facts are stubborn things:

1. Then why Iraqis do not support their government?

If they didn't support it they wouldn't have voted for it they would have voted for another government.

2. Fair and free elections are impossible under a foreign occupation. Ever heard of the word "logic"?

No actually they're not, as demonstrated in Iraq and the certification of the Iraqi elections as free and fair by international observers.

3. Exactly! Who needs "international observers" that rubber stamp the needed results (as they did in Ukraine in 2004)?

Why let facts stand in the way of your dribble? The first Ukrainian elections of 2004 were not free and fair they were rigged by authorities in favor of the Russian puppet Viktor Yanukovych , but thanks to the Orange Revolution there was a second election which was in fact free and fair and brought Viktor Yushchenko into office. Luckily the fascist SOB's in the Kremlin did not succeed in their attempted assassination dioxin poisoning plot.

4. Then why Iraqis do not support their government?

If Iraqi's didn't support their government they wouldn't have voted for it in the certified free and fair elections.
 
Ok you said it twice.....Give some proof that the Iraqi people do not support the government they elected.


j-mac

That's easy.

Is Iraqi government supportive of the US/UK policies on Iraq? Yes.

Are the people of Iraq supportive of the US/UK policies on their country? No. How do I know it? Because Iraqis are continuing fighting the invasion.

Why such a clash of interests between the government and the people if the government is trully democratic and the elections were fair and free?
 
I'm sure that this "poster" was clamoring about how Jimma Carter and the UN "certified" Chavez' various elective wins recently...

As you are sure of the existence of democracy... Naive.
 
That's easy.

Is Iraqi government supportive of the US/UK policies on Iraq? Yes.

Are the people of Iraq supportive of the US/UK policies on their country? No. How do I know it? Because Iraqis are continuing fighting the invasion.

Why such a clash of interests between the government and the people if the government is trully democratic and the elections were fair and free?


have I missed something? All the people? Or is it maybe that the groups like the residual terror organizations that want to control Iraq in the hopes of a vacuum when we leave are stirring up trouble?

I don't see reports of huge spikes in violence against our forces there anymore so I think you are wrong.


j-mac
 
Yet you have not shown one iota of evidence that the iraqi people do not support their government.

Did the US win the war in Iraq and the country is now at peace? No. What other evidence do you need to demonstrate the difference between pro-US agenda of the Iraqi government and anti-US agenda of the Iraqi people?
 
That's easy.

Is Iraqi government supportive of the US/UK policies on Iraq? Yes.

Are the people of Iraq supportive of the US/UK policies on their country? No. How do I know it? Because Iraqis are continuing fighting the invasion.

Why such a clash of interests between the government and the people if the government is trully democratic and the elections were fair and free?

lol so now marginalized radical terrorists organizations who at their peak size did not exceed more than even an approximate 1% of the total population are to be considered representative of the people of Iraq, but the government which was elected in free and fair elections with a voter turnout of 76% in 2005 and 51% in 2009 is not representative of the Iraqi people. Good to know.
 
But then you also mentioned how the Ukraine 2004 election was "rigged," a tipoff that you are a Putin supporter/propgandizer. Even the smarter of those stopped proffering that garbage what, 4 years ago?

A tip-off that you haven't got a clue of what you are talking about.

The last round of Ukrainian elections that was "certifyed" free, fair and democratic by your international observers was UNCONSTITUTIONAL! But then, you have to read Ukrainian constitution to know that, while you are clearly happy regurgitating your propaganda mistaking it for reality.
 
And all of them hate the US. So?

That is because we are a free country that is not driven by a belief in a roving 2000 year-old pedophile who married a six-year old.

They fear us because we are free.

What was your point again?
 
A tip-off that you haven't got a clue of what you are talking about.

The last round of Ukrainian elections that was "certifyed" free, fair and democratic by your international observers was UNCONSTITUTIONAL! But then, you have to read Ukrainian constitution to know that, while you are clearly happy regurgitating your propaganda mistaking it for reality.

Ya um so you know more about the Ukrainian Constitution than the Ukrainian Supreme Court which nullified the original rigged elections? I understand that you would rather have rigged elections which bring a Moscow puppet to power, but luckily the Ukrainian people and the Ukrainian Supreme Court support liberty over tyranny.
 
Did you understand what you were reading, or do you think things just happen in world politics without any prior connections and interlinks?

I don't think you read it through, though.

YOu linked to an 80 page document dated April, 2009. I was asking for concrete evidence linking the U.S. to THIS SPECIFIC ACTION. Quite obviously, the source you provided did not do that.

Before making a claim of U.S. involvement, I'd suggest that you have data to support this claim. You have ZERO.

You may think that you're fooling people on this thread, but sugar, you are not.
 
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have I missed something? All the people? Or is it maybe that the groups like the residual terror organizations that want to control Iraq in the hopes of a vacuum when we leave are stirring up trouble?

I don't see reports of huge spikes in violence against our forces there anymore so I think you are wrong.


j-mac


If these "groups" are so residual, why 6 years on the US has to beat a retreat?
 
lol so now marginalized radical terrorists organizations who at their peak size did not exceed more than even an approximate 1% of the total population are to be considered representative of the people of Iraq, but the government which was elected in free and fair elections with a voter turnout of 76% in 2005 and 51% in 2009 is not representative of the Iraqi people. Good to know.

Same question as for j-mac: If you are right and the Iraqi people support their pro-US government, why after 6 years of continues fighting the US has to beat a retreat?
 
If these "groups" are so residual, why 6 years on the US has to beat a retreat?

Because we have a pack-a-cowards running our government.
 
That is because we are a free country that is not driven by a belief in a roving 2000 year-old pedophile who married a six-year old.

They fear us because we are free.

What was your point again?

That you are self deluded.
 
Same question as for j-mac: If you are right and the Iraqi people support their pro-US government, why after 6 years of continues fighting the US has to beat a retreat?

Beat a retreat? What rock have you been living under? I guess according to you U.S. withdrawing the vast majority of its troops from Berlin and Japan = retreat. :roll:

Once again, if the Iraqi people did not support their government they wouldn't have voted for it.

But I guess in your assbackwards universe marginalized radical terrorists organizations who at their peak size did not exceed more than even an approximate 1% of the total Iraqi population are to be considered representative of the people of Iraq, but the government which was elected in free and fair elections with a voter turnout of 76% in 2005 and 51% in 2009 is not representative of the Iraqi people.
 
Because we have a pack-a-cowards running our government.

Because you can't win against the general population that doesn't want to be invaded and live under an occupation. Unless of course you are prepared to kill every one of them...
 
Ya um so you know more about the Ukrainian Constitution than the Ukrainian Supreme Court .

No. But the Ukrainian Supreme Court chose to wipe its a*se with the Ukrainian constitution. Are you surprised?

Would you be surprised to find out that "democratically elected" Ukrainian president enjoys 1.5 -- 2% of popularity?
 
Because you can't win against the general population that doesn't want to be invaded and live under an occupation. Unless of course you are prepared to kill every one of them...

I'm sure the locals would rather live under US occupation than that of the Taliban, or Saddam.
 
No. But the Ukrainian Supreme Court chose to wipe its a*se with the Ukrainian constitution. Are you surprised?

Get educated. FYI it was Yanukovych who violated the Constitution when he ignored the no-confidence vote of the Chamber of Ministers which according to the Constitution should have prompted a dissolution of the government. That is why the Ukrainian Supreme Court had to step in, in the first place.

But then again I doubt you really give a flying **** about the Ukrainian Constitution considering you are obviously in support of Yanukovych whose campaign was caught on tape conspiring with government officials on how best they could rig the election.



Would you be surprised to find out that "democratically elected" Ukrainian president enjoys 1.5 -- 2% of popularity?

The only polls that matter are the ones held on election day.
 
YOu linked to an 80 page document dated April, 2009. I was asking for concrete evidence linking the U.S. to THIS SPECIFIC ACTION. Quite obviously, the source you provided did not do that.

Before making a claim of U.S. involvement, I'd suggest that you have data to support this claim. You have ZERO.

You may think that you're fooling people on this thread, but sugar, you are not.

Hunny bunny, we are talking about POLITICS, not fresh cream cakes, the date of April 2009 reads like the news report in a context.

You said you read the report. It's not so, is it?

I have a feeling, you are not a reader, you are a writer, otherwise you would've read my initial post: "It is premature to speculate of the US involvement, but this involvement is very probable."

Learn to pay attention to the words in front of you before responding.
 
I'm sure the locals would rather live under US occupation than that of the Taliban, or Saddam.

Is that why they continue fighting you?!
 
Is that why they continue fighting you?!

Yeah, yeah, they hate us so much that they killed 100,000 Iraqis. They showed us, I reckon!

There were Frenchmen that fought us when we liberated France in 1944. Does that mean that all the other Frenchmen thought that Nazi rule was peaches and cream? There were alot of Italians that fought us when we liberated Italy, but we all know how that turned out for the Facists.

There's always going to be a small faction that wants the bad guys to stay in power, but you can't use that minority to judge the whole country.
 
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