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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post

    1. We don't completely control Iraq. The oil industry are doing industry deals with many different companies.

    2. We are. We don;t need somebody to tell us. Who would tell us? The UN? What a joke! No other country can manage the security of the shipping lanes. No other country can project power. No other country is as influential in the region.



    3. As I said, we don't control it, we provide security.

    4. Just out of curiosity, what country are you from, Elena?
    1. Bollox!

    2. And now imagine: you are sitting with your family on a couch, suddenly the door bursts open and some dude from the other side of the town stomps in, beats ten shades of cr*p out of you, takes your sofa and f*cks your wife; and when you try to protest, tells you to shut up and appreciate that he is doing it for your own good, and if you don't like it then you are nothing but an ungrateful pig.

    3. I didn't say you already control it; I said you are doing everything within US power to control it. Ask yourself Why?

    4. I grew up in the USSR, ended up living in Ukraine and now British citizen. Does it matter?

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    dually elected Iraqi government.
    "elected" US glove puppet government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's rather premature to be speculating about U.S. involvement in this matter, when there is zero evidence to support that claim, and plenty of reasons for this to happen internally in Iran.
    It is premature to speculate of the US involvement, but this involvement is very probable.

    Nicked it off another forum
    http://www.ciponline.org/asia/report..._the_union.pdf

    The Pakistanis also suspect Iran of supporting Baluch activists in order to counter a
    Pakistan-U.S. plot to make Baluchistan a rear base in a future offensive against Tehran.29 Iran, which
    is keen on becoming the preferred outlet to the sea for Central Asia at Pakistan’s expense, has built
    its own port at Chah Bahar (recently renamed Bandar Beheshti) with Indian assistance.30
    Iranian involvement is unlikely. Tehran has denied any involvement in the troubles in
    Baluchistan, claiming that it is not hostile to the Gwadar project.31 If it were to get involved in the
    Baluch imbroglio, it would probably not be in opposition to Pakistan and certainly not because of its
    rivalry with Pakistan over providing an outlet to the sea for Central Asia. Iran and Pakistan have a
    common interest in exporting Iranian gas to India, and an insurrection in Baluchistan would only
    harm their chances of building a gas pipeline through the province.32 Iran also has reason to worry
    about Baluchistan’s claims to its border regions. In fact, Tehran sent helicopters to Islamabad
    between 1973 and 1977 to help it put down the Baluch insurrection.
    Finally, the Baluch as well as the Pakistanis see the United States as a potential
    troublemaker. Some Pakistanis suspect that Washington would like to use Baluchistan as a rear
    base for an attack on Iran and would also like to get China out of the region.33 They do not make
    clear which side the Americans are on: whether they are opposing the Baluch nationalists because
    they are supported by Iran or whether they are supporting the Baluch because they are hostile to the
    Chinese. Other Pakistanis see a continuation of the “Great Power game” being played in Central Asia
    since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Proponents of this view believe that the United States, in
    competition with China and Iran, would like to control the oil supply lines from the Middle East and
    Central Asia and would also like to use its Greater Middle East initiative to dismantle the major
    Muslim states and redefine borders in the region.34 In contrast, some Baluch nationalists charge the
    United States with conspiring with the Pakistan government to put an end to Baluch claims.
    So far nobody has been able to prove any of these accusations.

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Um what's the context of that photograph? A still photo proves nothing. .
    That cop killed a man for strolling in front of him. When shall we expect the US military might to free and democratise us?
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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    We don't completely control Iraq. The oil industry are doing industry deals with many different companies.
    1. Bollox!
    BALLS!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    We are. We don;t need somebody to tell us. Who would tell us? The UN? What a joke! No other country can manage the security of the shipping lanes. No other country can project power. No other country is as influential in the region.
    2. And now imagine: you are sitting with your family on a couch, suddenly the door bursts open and some dude from the other side of the town stomps in, beats ten shades of cr*p out of you, takes your sofa and f*cks your wife; and when you try to protest, tells you to shut up and appreciate that he is doing it for your own good, and if you don't like it then you are nothing but an ungrateful pig.
    Bad analogy in this case. The man was beating and torturing his wife, killed a couple of their kids, was mixing explosives in the bathtub, and had invited some nasty characters over to share dinner. When we went to the door, we knocked for 12 years and gave him an ultimatim. When we entered we killed his brother who was trying to kill us and found him in a **** hole, hiding. We freed his wife and gave her medical care and got her enrolled in university. The kids are thriving with their own stalls in the market selling cellphones and computers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elena
    So why does the US need to control ME and Caspian oil and gas?
    As I said, we don't control it, we provide security.
    3. I didn't say you already control it; I said you are doing everything within US power to control it. Ask yourself Why?
    We aren't.

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    4. I grew up in the USSR, ended up living in Ukraine and now British citizen. Does it matter?

    Please don't be defensive. It doesn't matter to this conversation, I was just curious. Sounds like you got a range of experiences.

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post


    1. Bad analogy in this case. The man was beating and torturing his wife, killed a couple of their kids, was mixing explosives in the bathtub, and had invited some nasty characters over to share dinner.


    2. We aren't.

    1. So you burst in, killed his remaining kids, blew his wife's legs off and robbed him in a process? Nice.

    2. Take a map. No, not this one

    Take a real map, and find there Caspian Sea. Now, find on a map countries:
    1) Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan. Remember how close Pakistan came to becoming the next US target? Well, that's because of this

    and the fact that while the US was busy spreading democracy along the pipeline in Afghanistan, China made itself comfortable on the othe end of that pipeline, in Pakistan. Your country doesn't like it...

    2) Another US pipeline NABUCCO

    red on a map, but do you see what countries suppose to feed it? Azerbaijan (US owes it already) and Iran, with Georgia (remember war in Ossetia?) providing a supporting line. Russia already offered to buy ALL Azerbaijani gas at $350. The chances are it will get it. The US simply can't let Iran slip, and since it can't pay, it must have it by force. Unless of course the US would not be able to take on yet another war...

    3) Yet another US pipeline AMBO that was the reason behind a coloured revolution in Yugoslavia, and the US involvement in a war against Serbia and the US current attempts to set up a shop in Ukrainian Crimea.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOY6_ytgTlg"]YouTube - Bondsteel Camp: Kosovo Independence. American Game Behind It[/ame]


    But what is the most interesting is that all those pipelines were EU desperate attempts to free itself not only from Russia, but from the US when it comes to EU energy sources and routes. The US simply can't allow it to happen! Your power elites don't want their vassals to break free!

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    1. So you burst in, killed his remaining kids, blew his wife's legs off and robbed him in a process? Nice.
    Once again, not the case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    2. Take a map.

    But what is the most interesting is that all those pipelines were EU desperate attempts to free itself not only from Russia, but from the US when it comes to EU energy sources and routes. The US simply can't allow it to happen! Your power elites don't want their vassals to break free!
    Great map! You forgot Africa, though.

    So what's your point? None of this is news. All of those situations are where the US is extending a security guarantee - my original point.

    The EU was doing nothing to guarantee security for those pipelines.

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Once again, not the case.



    Great map! You forgot Africa, though.

    So what's your point? None of this is news. All of those situations are where the US is extending a security guarantee - my original point.

    The EU was doing nothing to guarantee security for those pipelines.
    Forget Africa! In the words of your Great Pole, -- who controls Euroasia, controls Africa. Right now the US is fighting to control its increasingly rebellious vassals -- Europe, and stubborn in their opposition to democratic spreading Asians.

    My point is this: your country, your country's power clans to be precise, are setting the whole world on fire, waging wars, killing and maiming in the name of their greed (not freedom, or democracy, or human rights). Their greed is not to be mistaken for the US interests since, as their profits rise, your average Joe has to foot the bill. You can continue to call your country a custodian of world's security, but the world on whom this "security" was bestowed see your country as a duplicitous bully.

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post

    2. And now imagine: you are sitting with your family on a couch, suddenly the door bursts open and some dude from the other side of the town stomps in, beats ten shades of cr*p out of you, takes your sofa and f*cks your wife; and when you try to protest, tells you to shut up and appreciate that he is doing it for your own good, and if you don't like it then you are nothing but an ungrateful pig.
    You just described how America's enemies do business.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Top Revolutionary Guard commanders assassinated

    Quote Originally Posted by Elena View Post
    "elected" US glove puppet government.
    Were the elections not adequate in your view?

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