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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Wrong. Any form of stimulus takes time to get going. 6 months to a year easy before any results at all are seen, usually longer. There is no "immediate response" stimulus out there, not even tax cuts.
    Look spaniard, you know know anything about us okay. You come in here all the time like some US expert, well you're not. Money was place into the hands of people by the govt to make immediate stimulus changes. Stop apologizing for someone you never voted for or has no bearing on you, just because you're a bleeding heart. You have never been unbiased for a single second, which blows your credibility. joke
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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Look spaniard, you know know anything about us okay. You come in here all the time like some US expert, well you're not.
    I aint Spanish and why is it every time you start to loose an argument you turn to personal attacks?

    Money was place into the hands of people by the govt to make immediate stimulus changes.
    So you are telling me that the day after the Stimulus was passed the money was already in the hands of the people who wanted it? Do many drugs by any chance? It does not work like that, never has, never will.

    And things are not so different in the US vs Europe when it comes to how things are done.. the basics are the same. Contracts take X time to do, and getting permits, voting, changing local plan laws and what not.. takes time all of it.

    Stop apologizing for someone you never voted for or has no bearing on you, just because you're a bleeding heart.
    I aint apologizing for anyone, let alone Obama! I am just pointing out that no stimulus regardless of what kind is instant and most stimulus plans takes many many months to show up let alone start to work. It is you that is the partisan hack who is so blinded by hatred that you forget how things actually work in the real world.. that is if you even understand it in the first place.
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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    obama's the man who said it's too slow

    in june

    30G jobs in 6 months, i'm sorry to say, just doesn't cut it

    you should hear what they're saying on the sunday talks

    actually, i pretty much already told you

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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are telling me that the day after the Stimulus was passed the money was already in the hands of the people who wanted it? Do many drugs by any chance? It does not work like that, never has, never will.
    Department of Agriculture has spent most of their, large, share. There's no excuse why others haven't.

    And things are not so different in the US vs Europe when it comes to how things are done.. the basics are the same. Contracts take X time to do, and getting permits, voting, changing local plan laws and what not.. takes time all of it.
    Europe and America are radically different places.

    Compared to Europe, America is the speed of light.

    I aint apologizing for anyone, let alone Obama! I am just pointing out that no stimulus regardless of what kind is instant and most stimulus plans takes many many months to show up let alone start to work. It is you that is the partisan hack who is so blinded by hatred that you forget how things actually work in the real world.. that is if you even understand it in the first place.
    Keynes would point to the propriety of the money being sent out, fast. One of the definition for 'failure' is if it takes too long. I'm not a fan of Keynes, but the idea is to spend money at the bottom of the cycle - not at the top.

    As for blinded by hate? Sorry, but I'll keep reiterating this over and over...

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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I aint Spanish and why is it every time you start to loose an argument you turn to personal attacks?



    So you are telling me that the day after the Stimulus was passed the money was already in the hands of the people who wanted it? Do many drugs by any chance? It does not work like that, never has, never will.

    And things are not so different in the US vs Europe when it comes to how things are done.. the basics are the same. Contracts take X time to do, and getting permits, voting, changing local plan laws and what not.. takes time all of it.



    I aint apologizing for anyone, let alone Obama! I am just pointing out that no stimulus regardless of what kind is instant and most stimulus plans takes many many months to show up let alone start to work. It is you that is the partisan hack who is so blinded by hatred that you forget how things actually work in the real world.. that is if you even understand it in the first place.
    We've had stimulus packages pass since last year, including Obama. You're the hack of hacks, with all kind of BS apologies for everything liberal. It never matters, you are for it.
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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Pete, there is never a liberal belief or cause that you don't raise your flag for.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Metternich View Post
    Department of Agriculture has spent most of their, large, share. There's no excuse why others haven't.
    Agriculture is one of the places I would expect it to go fast. Building or fixing bridges with private contractors is not something that will go as fast for example. Keeping teachers, police and firemen in jobs would also go fast. Building a new high speed rail system.. would take a long time to do get started.

    Europe and America are radically different places.

    Compared to Europe, America is the speed of light.
    Nope they are not. But keep living in your dream world.

    No matter how you spin it, local, regional, state and even federal government has to follow the rules and regulations already in place when starting such projects. This includes local planning laws, contract laws, bidding laws, and other laws and regulations when it comes to government buying things from the private sector. All this delays anything for weeks if not months, especially if it gets political. And that is provided they had a plan in place in the first place.

    Keynes would point to the propriety of the money being sent out, fast. One of the definition for 'failure' is if it takes too long. I'm not a fan of Keynes, but the idea is to spend money at the bottom of the cycle - not at the top.
    If it takes too long yes, but it has only been 7 months. You might find it slow due to your partisan eyes, but in the real world 7 months is not exactly slow, especially if there were no plans in place for spending the money in local areas. Now if there were plans in place all over the place, then yes 7 months is slowish, however I doubt very much most of the US had "just incase there is a massive stimulus package" plan laying around.

    However lets take an example... High speed railway in the stimulus. There were as far as I know no final plans in place, no details on what they wanted or exactly where. To make this you would need that. On top of that you would need to take the land need (local planning laws, exportation of land...takes time especially if there are objections), have a bidding round (unless you want a corrupt bidding round and give it to Haliburton), do the contracts with companies to build the damn thing and to build the trains. And that does not happen over night in any place on this planet. It took months for the US military to grant Haliburton its no bid contracts in Iraq for god sake, and you expect bid contracts to be handed out faster?.. gezz.
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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    ag is one of the places you would "expect..."

    LOL!

    still arguing abstractions

    287 net jobs "saved" in illinois, 158 in iowa...

    tell it to meet the press, george stephanopoulos and cnn's state of the union with john king

    they're not buying it

    obama emphasized, "shovel ready"

    obama admitted, gotta "speed up"

    obama conceded he was wrong, in june

    tell it to him

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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Smoke[MaxX] View Post
    How does something fail before it's finished?
    Ever see the Monty Python sketch of the man who was going to long jump the English Channel? The answer is simple: Something can fail before it's finished when the task goal from the outset is not obtainable. Anyone who knows **** from shinola (btw, for those who don't, THIS is shinola) knew it wasn't going to work.

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    Re: 30,383: First Tally On Stimulus Jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Agriculture is one of the places I would expect it to go fast. Building or fixing bridges with private contractors is not something that will go as fast for example. Keeping teachers, police and firemen in jobs would also go fast. Building a new high speed rail system.. would take a long time to do get started.
    You really need to look at the data, you clearly have no idea how the US Government is even broken down. Teachers, police and firemen are not even a part of the figures released by the Federal Government - that all falls under the 'state stimulus' umbrella.

    Nope they are not. But keep living in your dream world.
    Prove how they are alike. What, we're both 'white?'

    No matter how you spin it, local, regional, state and even federal government has to follow the rules and regulations already in place when starting such projects. This includes local planning laws, contract laws, bidding laws, and other laws and regulations when it comes to government buying things from the private sector. All this delays anything for weeks if not months, especially if it gets political. And that is provided they had a plan in place in the first place.
    *Yawns*

    General statements about red tape only prove our point. The government could never go quickly about dispensing this amount of money. It is too slow, too ineffcient and too retarded.

    If it takes too long yes, but it has only been 7 months. You might find it slow due to your partisan eyes, but in the real world 7 months is not exactly slow, especially if there were no plans in place for spending the money in local areas. Now if there were plans in place all over the place, then yes 7 months is slowish, however I doubt very much most of the US had "just incase there is a massive stimulus package" plan laying around.
    Seven months is long enough for you to develop from a gleam in your parents' eye into a human being.

    Seven months is an extremely long time to be living on unemployment insurance. Seven months is an extremely long time for the Dow to reach 10,00. Seven months is an extremely long time for GM to go bankrupt. Seven months is an extremely long time. Don't get around it... It is a long time to be in a Depression.

    However lets take an example... High speed railway in the stimulus. There were as far as I know no final plans in place, no details on what they wanted or exactly where. To make this you would need that. On top of that you would need to take the land need (local planning laws, exportation of land...takes time especially if there are objections), have a bidding round (unless you want a corrupt bidding round and give it to Haliburton), do the contracts with companies to build the damn thing and to build the trains. And that does not happen over night in any place on this planet. It took months for the US military to grant Haliburton its no bid contracts in Iraq for god sake, and you expect bid contracts to be handed out faster?.. gezz.
    Which just destroys your own point. It's impossible for the government to do this. /thread

    Look at all your reasons why it isn't happening, and I'll tell you I agree. I'll go further and say those reasons are also why it shouldn't happen.

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