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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    I wouldn't even venture to guess what Louisiana's law says (they have laws based on the French code rather than British code), but the Governor says this action does indeed violate state law, and of course us constitutional law as several people already noted in the thread.
    This has zero to do with constitutional law. We are talking about state law.
    They had the state license already.

    They just needed a JP or minister to "notarize" it which to most includes a ceremony.

    This complain from the Governor is 100% political.
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    This has zero to do with constitutional law. We are talking about state law.
    They had the state license already.

    They just needed a JP or minister to "notarize" it which to most includes a ceremony.

    This complain from the Governor is 100% political.

    US Constitutional law trumps state law, and in any case, it is irrelevant. The Gov stated it is also against state law. Besides, you have cited no state code that backs up your claim. You're just making a claim.

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
    This has zero to do with constitutional law. We are talking about state law.
    They had the state license already.

    They just needed a JP or minister to "notarize" it which to most includes a ceremony.

    This complain from the Governor is 100% political.

    I believe the complaints of those who don't care about the violation of law is 100% political, as I haven't seen any state law references to back up their claims.

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

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    "I've been a justice of the peace for 34 years and I don't think I've mistreated anybody," Bardwell said. "I've made some mistakes, but you have too. I didn't tell this couple they couldn't get married. I just told them I wouldn't do it."
    It *is* illegal to not allow them to marry. *1967 - Loving v Virginia
    It is illegal to not grant them a license. 14th amendment per same court hearing above.

    It is not illegal to refuse to sign it.

    Should a minister be required to sign a marriage license just because someone asked?
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
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    It *is* illegal to not allow them to marry. *1967 - Loving v Virginia
    It is illegal to not grant them a license. 14th amendment per same court hearing above.

    It is not illegal to refuse to sign it.

    Should a minister be required to sign a marriage license just because someone asked?
    A Minister and a JP are not the same thing.

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
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    It *is* illegal to not allow them to marry. *1967 - Loving v Virginia
    It is illegal to not grant them a license. 14th amendment per same court hearing above.

    It is not illegal to refuse to sign it.

    Should a minister be required to sign a marriage license just because someone asked?
    Isn't there a special law protecting clergy form being forced to do so?

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    A Minister and a JP are not the same thing.
    Legally? How so?

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    A Minister and a JP are not the same thing.
    According to the argument above, it would be illegal for a minister to refuse based on the fourteenth amendment.
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

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    I'm not a mod for rule 6 to hold me to a "higher standard". I'm happily a pesent. Since you are held to a "higher standard", I can't return fire without being infracted for failing to regard you in that higher standard. You can talk as much **** as you want, and no one can do anything about it.
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    This thread is about interracial marriage and the actions of a Justice. While I invite you to participate in our conversation here, please take any questions regarding hostile behavior to either PM or the Basement, as you deem fit.
    So you can't cite any part of my post that was hostile? Got it.

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    The post of mine you were originally responding to was addressing the accusation that I only oppose marrying childless gay couples because I'm heterosexual. The tone of your posts strongly imply that you agree with this assumption. If that's an accurate interpretation of your posts, please tell me what portions of my argument lead you to believe this, even if those portions are from other gay-marriage threads.
    I never stated you oppose this based on your sexuality. I was merely responding to that post. Your interpretation of my posts is incorrect.
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by vauge View Post
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    It *is* illegal to not allow them to marry. *1967 - Loving v Virginia
    It is illegal to not grant them a license. 14th amendment per same court hearing above.

    It is not illegal to refuse to sign it.

    Should a minister be required to sign a marriage license just because someone asked?

    The signing of the license is the wedding. The couple gets the blank from the clerk at the state office, the go to a JOP, who performs the ceremony, signs the license, and the new couple return it to the clerk. It is quite illegal to refuse to treat citizens equally under the law.

    Exactly what authority are you citing to justify this refusal to carry out the authority vested in him equally under the law?


    A minister, first of all, may not have authority granted him under the law. Not all religious ceremonies are state-sanctioned marriages. However, a minister who was granted the authority to perform state-sanctioned marriages would be doubly performing both a religious ceremony and a civil ceremony. The state has no control over what religious hoops a church may require before they will perform a religious ceremony, however with regard to civil authority, clergy and religious are not exempt from the law.

    For example, the state had absolutely nothing to say with regard to the fact that my church required posting of banns, and pre-cana instruction.


    Please, other than just asserting that the justice can do whatever he pleases, what law grants him immunity from observing the equal protection clause?
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