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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Under what argument is marriage -- a right -- excluded from control by this compelling state interest?
    In so much that the marriage license is a government issued and recognized contract. The individual has right to contract.
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    I'm sorry:
    I was under the impression that "the welfare of the child" was a particulary compelling state interest, and as such, was a legitimate restraint on the exercise of any number of rights.

    Under what argument is marriage -- a right -- excluded from control by this compelling state interest?
    Okay, if you want to be the dog who won't stop worrying the bone, I'll tell you the painfully obvious truth:

    It is excluded for the very simple reason that two people can get together, have sex, conceive a child, and raise that child together with or without a marriage license. Granting a marriage license in no way serves to negatively impact the welfare of the child in question any more than what color clothing the parents choose to wear on any given day.

    As such, it is far, far beyond the purview of the state to regulate under the guise of child welfare.

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think there can be some very standard forms which one fills out which will grant what marriage grants now. Most of that stuff should be up to the individual anyway, not hinging on marriage. A lot of "perks" of marriage of the tax persuasion, I'd get rid of anyway.
    Standard forms that would have to be aproved by SOMEONE at some point inorder to make the contract official. That someone could apply the same retarded thought process that this JOP applied and refuse to put the official stamp on the forms. It only takes one idiot with some manner of power to mess with people's lives.
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    It is excluded for the very simple reason that two people can get together, have sex, conceive a child, and raise that child together with or without a marriage license. Granting a marriage license in no way serves to negatively impact the welfare of the child in question any more than what color clothing the parents choose to wear on any given day.

    As such, it is far, far beyond the purview of the state to regulate under the guise of child welfare.
    As I said: Subjectivity.
    Thanks for illustrating it so well.

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ahhhhem Loving vs. Virgina.
    Ahhhhhem.. I addressed this:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058310653

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Loving vs Virginia already addressed your concern. So when are you going to turn this into a gun rights thread?

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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Standard forms that would have to be aproved by SOMEONE at some point inorder to make the contract official. That someone could apply the same retarded thought process that this JOP applied and refuse to put the official stamp on the forms. It only takes one idiot with some manner of power to mess with people's lives.
    No, standard forms that would have to be filed by someone, not approved. The contract is for management of your estate, finances, blah blah blah. State doesn't have much say (or shouldn't). Much of what comes with marriage is some omnibus contract that allows for certain management of your assents and access to accounts, healthcare, etc. All that can be done separately. Anything involving deductions of tax and what have you should be done away with (I even think the child deductions should be done away with).
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Loving vs Virginia already addressed your concern.
    I dont see where Loving vs Virginia addresses the issue of the compelling interest of the state to ensure the welfare of children, or where said compelling state interest has no sway over the right to marriage.

    Care to provide the text to that end?
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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    As I said: Subjectivity.
    Thanks for illustrating it so well.
    In other words, you have no grounds upon which to continue this portion of the argument, so you dismiss it out of hand and act like you won.



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    Re: Interracial couple denied marriage license in La.

    The government should stay out of the issue of marriage all together. There is no longer any real reason for a marriage license other then to discriminate. Once upon a time a marriage license was needed for things like tax purposes because a husband was the one who worked and cared for at least one other person financially. These days, that is no longer true. Spouses are both in the work force, and if one happens to get pregnant, or other reasons to miss work, there are other means to financial assistance and the government will adjust their taxes in other ways.

    Marriage licenses serve no other purpose except to deny people legal recognition of their relationship, therefore, marriage licenses should be abolished. People who believe the law should restrict things like marriage are giving the government far too much power into people's personal lives. Simply not approving of something is not a good reason to impose it on the entire population.
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