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    Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    From Congressional Quarterly, today:

    1. Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, #2 in the House to Ms Pelosi, announced today that a floor vote on lower parliament's version of health care is not likely to come before Christmas.

    2. "My objective would be not to be here for more than two weeks in December and I'd prefer not to be here in December at all," avered the Leader, "but obviously the realities are that we've got a lot still to do."

    3. Very revealing, as proponents of Obamacare are in such a hurry to move on the momentum they received after yesterday's clearance of Committee Baucus.

    4. Leadership does NOT want America talking about the poisonous provisions plenteous comprising these pieces.

    5. Delay, therefore, indicates the votes simply are NOT there.

    6. Hoyer: "it is very doubtful that we'll get a vote prior to the first week of November."

    7. In another story reported today by The Hill, "health care fatigue syndrome" is straining the staying power of players most participant.

    8. The public too is passing prostrate.

    Healthcare legislation fatigue spreading quickly among Capitol Hill insiders - TheHill.com

    9. No wonder the votes aren't there.

    10. The plans to be merged incentivize employers to drop their plans, pushing the expenses of individual's health care, beyond 13% of income, upon the government, breaking the budget, and exposing as false the president's repeated promises that those satisfied with their current plans can keep them.

    11. They let the young and healthy off the hook, exploding the premiums of the sick and elderly.

    12. They place unmanageable mandates upon states already undersea.

    13. They impose massive diminutions upon Medicare and Medicaid and pretty much eliminate entirely Medicare Advantage.

    14. To arrive at its sympathetic, cooperative projections, CBO scores only 7 years of expenses vs 10 years of revenues.

    15. Obamacare opens the budget to abortion funding and is weak in enforcing the exclusion of illegals.

    16. It taxes terribly small biz, jobs creator, in the midst of our collective Depression.

    17. It places punitive impounds upon benefit packages, anathema to 170 letter signing progressives in Pelosi's Place, and once more violating a central tenet of the president's campaign.

    18. It continues the ban against purchasing plans across state lines and does nothing to address "defensive medicine" costs by taking on torts.

    19. It leaves 25 million uninsured.

    20. It taxes makers of medical devices, certain to increase the cost of hearing aids, wheelchairs, prosthetics...

    21. It either contains a public option, alienating dogs, freshmen and red staters, or it doesn't include the option, offending the blue base.

    22. It CRIMINALIZES those caught breathing without insurance, just like driving is handled in California.

    23. It relies on trimming waste, fraud and abuse in M&M for large wads of wherewithal, which, if such excises were possible they would have been done long ago.

    24. It depends on downward re-schedulings of Medicare outlays, put off for political purposes every year for a decade, despite mandates.

    25. It taxes intolerably the poor and middle class at almost every turn, again betraying Obama's oaths.

    26. The MERGES in both houses are being melded in SECRET by a small cabal of insiders, leaving out the majority of membership and the public comprehensive.

    27. It seriously screws seniors, suicide politics across America's landscape.

    28. No wonder it's all being done in the dark, no wonder it can't show it's face on the floor, no wonder its deadlines are delayed.

    29. Its problems are insuperable.

    30. A day after Baucus, reality rears grossly.

    CQ Politics | Session Could Last ?Til Christmas, as Health Care Vote Slips

    House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer said Wednesday that Congress will probably be in session until mid-December and possibly even later.

    “My objective would be not to be here for more than two weeks in December and I’d prefer not to be here in December at all, but obviously the realities are that we’ve got a lot to still do,” he told reporters.

    One big factor: An initial House vote on a health care overhaul appears likely to slip into November.

    Last week, Hoyer, D-Md., said on the floor that a vote wouldn’t come before the last week of October. But on Thursday, he said, “It will be very doubtful we’ll get a vote prior to the first week of November.”

    Speaker Nancy Pelosi , Hoyer and other Democratic leaders are still trying to meld the health bills passed by three House committees into one piece of legislation. And across the Capitol, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid , D-Nev., is just beginning the process of combining health bills produced by two different committees in his chamber.

    All that takes time, as Democratic leaders continue their internal deliberations in the face of unified Republican opposition to reach as much consensus as possible before bringing their bills to their respective floors.

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    The reality is, there's alot of work to do. Votes are there, a bill's gonna pass.

    They have to merge the committee bills in each house, then CBO must score the mark, then is time for debate. One republican senator said they debated six weeks and eight weeks on other bills.

    There's just work to do. Don't worry Prof, an aye vote's coming

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    if the votes were there, they'd vote

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    if the votes were there, they'd vote

    Neither house has a merged bill yet, nor a CBO score, nor had floor debate.
    All in good time

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    nonsense

    pelosi has been SITTING for 2 months

    whip clyburn on wednesday's msnbc---asked if he could support baucus, answered, "no, no, no, no, no"

    the gatekeeper's right hand man, kent conrad, mere minutes later, speaking for the other side---the public option is a "non starter"

    progressive caucus leader woolsey on thursday, oct 8, claimed 218 were "in sight"

    translation---she doesn't have 218

    and her head counter, clyburn, said his "ongoing tally" did not agree with hers

    asked to provide a roster, ms woolsey declined

    indeed, an unnamed member of the previous week's caucus said ms woolsey only had an actual 176

    unfortunately, jackalope, you speak way too airily

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    reid says the cost of the baucus/HELP merge will be two tril

    he's pooh poohing cbo's assessment that tort reform will save 54B over 10 years

    drop in the bucket, is reid's point

    very small percentage of the 2T he concedes "we're talking about"

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Harry Reid Suggests Health Care to Cost $2 Trillion

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    reid says the cost of the baucus/HELP merge will be two tril

    he's pooh poohing cbo's assessment that tort reform will save 54B over 10 years

    drop in the bucket, is reid's point

    very small percentage of the 2T he concedes "we're talking about"

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Harry Reid Suggests Health Care to Cost $2 Trillion

    I wonder what he was talking about there

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    nonsense

    pelosi has been SITTING for 2 months

    whip clyburn on wednesday's msnbc---asked if he could support baucus, answered, "no, no, no, no, no"

    the gatekeeper's right hand man, kent conrad, mere minutes later, speaking for the other side---the public option is a "non starter"

    progressive caucus leader woolsey on thursday, oct 8, claimed 218 were "in sight"

    translation---she doesn't have 218

    and her head counter, clyburn, said his "ongoing tally" did not agree with hers

    asked to provide a roster, ms woolsey declined

    indeed, an unnamed member of the previous week's caucus said ms woolsey only had an actual 176

    unfortunately, jackalope, you speak way too airily


    Noone's supporting Baucus' bill, esp not in the House. The House decided they wouldn't get in front of the Senate like they did on the climate bill. I remember them talking about it awhile back. Now it's out of Baucus' committee in the Senate, both will move forward.

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    The Reblican playbook.

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    5. L

    at all costs.

    And has been from day one.

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    Re: Session Could Last Til Christmas as HC Vote Slips

    ridiculous, republicans are irrelevant

    hoyer's the one who's stalling, read the links

    2T, says reid

    why, sure, of course, it's in the bag

    so easy

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