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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Actually, that's wrong too. All three levels can be used in a criminal case (but the higher is usual).
    There may be, in a state here or there, for very minor crimes with very low penalties, for which there is a lower burden, but for nearly every criminal case, it is beyond a reasonable doubt, and any exceptions are extremely few, to the point of not even being worth mentioning.
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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah, and I mentioned the tests to be met, too:




    And you said here:



    Now, I would have been inclined to let this go and assume you meant what I was referring to, the need to show actual malice, but since you're being so ridiculous concerning what I said (as usual), I'll make an issue of it.

    If you were referring to the standard of proof, then you used the wrong word. If you were referring to the duty to show malice, then the point was meaningless, because I had already said it. What I'm guessing, then, is that -- once again -- you simply didn't read what I wrote.

    Either way, it doesn't speak especially well of you.

    (And you picked this fight. I, at least, admitted to my own mistake.)
    At no point was I referring to standard of proof, but burden of proof. It was the right word, and the characterization is accurate. The Supreme Court intended for the burden of proof for libel cases brought by public figures against media companies to be high. If you research it, that is what is discussed the high burden of proof on the plaintiff. The only thing that differentiates this case from a case involving a private person with regard to proof is burden of proof.

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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    There may be, in a state here or there, for very minor crimes with very low penalties, for which there is a lower burden, but for nearly every criminal case, it is beyond a reasonable doubt, and any exceptions are extremely few, to the point of not even being worth mentioning.

    Tell ya what, next time I'll just go straight for the throat and point out silly inconsistencies and inaccuracies, rather than attempt to move on to what is relevant.

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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    At no point was I referring to standard of proof, but burden of proof. It was the right word, and the characterization is accurate. The Supreme Court intended for the burden of proof for libel cases brought by public figures against media companies to be high. If you research it, that is what is discussed the high burden of proof on the plaintiff. The only thing that differentiates this case from a case involving a private person with regard to proof is burden of proof.
    OK, then it was a meaningless point, because I had already said it, and you apparently didn't bother to read it, which wouldn't be the first time. Fine.
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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Tell ya what, next time I'll just go straight for the throat and point out silly inconsistencies and inaccuracies
    Which is what you did.

    rather than attempt to move on to what is relevant.
    Yeah, get in digs and then say "let's move on." Typical. Why do I ever even bother with you?
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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It's factually difficult to do, but that's different from a standard of proof.
    Could I get you to explain what you are saying here. It went right over my head, and I think it is important.
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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The reason I defend Rush is because while one is free to be as divisive as they want, I don't think that provides legitimate grounds to commit crimes against him.
    I hope I have been clear, if some one has libeled Rush, and he wants to sue, I got no problem with that either. I do not know myself whether this is the case or not.
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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I hope I have been clear, if some one has libeled Rush, and he wants to sue, I got no problem with that either. I do not know myself whether this is the case or not.

    Litigation may not be out of the question here:


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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I hope I have been clear, if some one has libeled Rush, and he wants to sue, I got no problem with that either. I do not know myself whether this is the case or not.
    I think anyone being honest about this whole thing understands that this is clearly slander and libel aimed directly at Rush to cause enough of a stink to directly impact his business and finances. That in my book just ain't right. And I can't understand anyone who would be jubilant about it occurring.
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    Re: Sources: Checketts to drop Limbaugh

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Could I get you to explain what you are saying here. It went right over my head, and I think it is important.
    It is factually difficult to show that a person (or news org) had "actual malice" when making a statement. But that's not the same as having a high standard of proof -- as in, beyond a reasonable doubt, say. You can have a lower standard of proof yet still not be able to show actual malice, which is why suits for libel/slander/defamation against public figures don't prevail very often.

    Now, in this case, CNN compounded itself when it refused to retract its statement, which could go to showing a reckless disregard for the truth, which works out to be the same. Will it? Dunno.
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