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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amr ibn Ubayd View Post
    Geert Wilder's warnings about Islam are a product of his small-minded ignorance. His criticisms are laughably illogical; superimposing out-of-context passages from the Qur'an over footage of terrorist acts committed by self-proclaimed Muslims does not a compelling argument against Islam make.
    His warnings are right on target. All we see coming out the Muslims communities around the world are hate and violence. We don't see Muslims trying to police any of the hatred and violence, only excuses and whining about racism. How one can be racist against a religion, I dunno, but that's what we always hear.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    His warnings are right on target. All we see coming out the Muslims communities around the world are hate and violence. We don't see Muslims trying to police any of the hatred and violence, only excuses and whining about racism. How one can be racist against a religion, I dunno, but that's what we always hear.
    Your criticisms are somewhat valid, but you've over-generalized the situation. The Islamic religion is not monolithic; its adherents subscribe to a broad range of beliefs, and only a small (albeit significant) minority of those adherents are violently radical. We Muslims have repeatedly spoken out against the violent elements within our religion.

    See:

    On Eid, bands against terror - India - The Times of India
    200,000 protest Amman attacks - Washington Times
    BBC NEWS | UK | Muslim march over shrine bombing
    BLACKFIVE: Iraqis March Against Terror
    :: Xinhuanet - English ::
    Gateway Pundit: Massive Muslim Demonstration Against Al Qaida!!

    etc.

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amr ibn Ubayd View Post
    Your criticisms are somewhat valid, but you've over-generalized the situation. The Islamic religion is not monolithic; its adherents subscribe to a broad range of beliefs, and only a small (albeit significant) minority of those adherents are violently radical. We Muslims have repeatedly spoken out against the violent elements within our religion.

    See:

    On Eid, bands against terror - India - The Times of India
    200,000 protest Amman attacks - Washington Times
    BBC NEWS | UK | Muslim march over shrine bombing
    BLACKFIVE: Iraqis March Against Terror
    :: Xinhuanet - English ::
    Gateway Pundit: Massive Muslim Demonstration Against Al Qaida!!

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    That ain't nothin' but lip service.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That ain't nothin' but lip service.
    Massive protests are nothing but lip service? Whatever you say. I'm sure you'd feel differently if the rallies were held in support of terror.

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That ain't nothin' but lip service.
    What would constitute more than lip service?

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amr ibn Ubayd View Post
    Geert Wilder's warnings about Islam are a product of his small-minded ignorance. His criticisms are laughably illogical; superimposing out-of-context passages from the Qur'an over footage of terrorist acts committed by self-proclaimed Muslims does not a compelling argument against Islam make.
    If so, he shouldn't be a threat. It should be very ez to refute his claims and contest his criticism. However, that's not the case. Demonize him all you like, he's gaining support every day. You don't have to be an intellectual to understand the position Wilders takes when it comes to the rights of women, gays, jews and apostates. If you oppose muslims who kill with the koran in their hands, you'll have no problem with poor ole Geert. The idiot has been sleeping in prisons long before he made the extremic comments he's famous for. Even if his criticism is hogwash, he should be free to express it. It would be another thing if he would encourage racism or even violence, he does not.

    Merely criticizing Islam could get one killed, do you find that a healthy situation?

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amr ibn Ubayd View Post
    Massive protests are nothing but lip service? Whatever you say. I'm sure you'd feel differently if the rallies were held in support of terror.
    Those aren't massive protests against terrorism.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Dave View Post
    What would constitute more than lip service?
    Action. Specifically, pro-action, but any kind of action from the Muslim community would be good. I would like to see the same outrage coming out of the Muslim community over terrorism that we've seen over cartoons and soiled Korans. I want to see the Muslims community root out, rat out, smoke out and expose every terrorist they know of. All we've managed to get so far is, "Terrorists aren't real Muslims", "What do yo want us to do, I mean, realy, what?", and, "Stop picking on us because you're looking for Muslim terrorists".
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    If so, he shouldn't be a threat. It should be very ez to refute his claims and contest his criticism.
    That was the point I made in one of my earlier posts ITT:

    Quote Originally Posted by Amr ibn Ubayd View Post
    ...However, it behooves us to allow him to express his opinions freely so that they can be exposed to criticism. By placing limits on his freedom of expression, the UK has implicitly acknowledged that they're unable or unwilling to prove him wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    However, that's not the case. Demonize him all you like, he's gaining support every day.
    That's understandable. Like certain leaders of past, he appeals to his followers' emotions and irrational prejudices. He attempts to stir anti-Islamic by encouraging the association of Islamic teachings with terrorist acts... if he attempted to demonstrate that Islam was a dangerous religion by putting forth cool-headed and rational arguments, he'd have my ear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    You don't have to be an intellectual to understand the position Wilders takes when it comes to the rights of women, gays, jews and apostates.
    Similarly, it isn't especially difficult to see that the motivations behind the mistreatment of these groups are not purely religious. Wilders and his ilk would have us believe that every crime perpetrated by a Muslim was committed out of religious devotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    If you oppose muslims who kill with the koran in their hands, you'll have no problem with poor ole Geert.
    Why wouldn't I have a problem with him? His claim is that they kill because they have the Qur'an in their hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    The idiot has been sleeping in prisons long before he made the extremic comments he's famous for. Even if his criticism is hogwash, he should be free to express it. It would be another thing if he would encourage racism or even violence, he does not.
    I agree; see my quoted post above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Merely criticizing Islam could get one killed, do you find that a healthy situation?
    No, I don't.

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Action. Specifically, pro-action, but any kind of action from the Muslim community would be good. I would like to see the same outrage coming out of the Muslim community over terrorism that we've seen over cartoons and soiled Korans. I want to see the Muslims community root out, rat out, smoke out and expose every terrorist they know of. All we've managed to get so far is, "Terrorists aren't real Muslims", "What do yo want us to do, I mean, realy, what?", and, "Stop picking on us because you're looking for Muslim terrorists".
    Mass protests dont consitute outrage?

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