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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are saying that in the US, you can in any city without getting permission from the local police, start up a protest march of many people?
    No, you can't and the reason for getting a permit is for safety reasons. If you apply for a permit, then local law enforcement has a heads up so they can prepare for crowd control, traffic control and and any security that may be needed. Also, EMS and fire department personel are aware that a parade, protest, etc. is taking place and can take alternate routes, rather than getting clogged up in those areas. Plus, the liscense fee counts as revenue.

    There's a very good, common sense reason for requiring permits for public gatherings.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, you can't and the reason for getting a permit is for safety reasons. If you apply for a permit, then local law enforcement has a heads up so they can prepare for crowd control, traffic control and and any security that may be needed. Also, EMS and fire department personel are aware that a parade, protest, etc. is taking place and can take alternate routes, rather than getting clogged up in those areas. Plus, the liscense fee counts as revenue.

    There's a very good, common sense reason for requiring permits for public gatherings.
    No, if you want to use something like public roads, then yes you have to. If I want to get a group of people together to protest at the corner, I don't need a permit. Nor should a permit ever be required for those situations.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, if you want to use something like public roads, then yes you have to. If I want to get a group of people together to protest at the corner, I don't need a permit. Nor should a permit ever be required for those situations.
    It depends on the number of people, I guess. However, a corner protest can quickly overflow onto a thoroughfare. If it's a group of klansmen protesting in a black neighborhood, the prudance would dictate a permit be required, so police can be ready for the trouble. I have no problem with requiring a permit to gather on public property, just as long as those permits are automatically granted and not denied for political reasons.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It depends on the number of people, I guess. However, a corner protest can quickly overflow onto a thoroughfare. If it's a group of klansmen protesting in a black neighborhood, the prudance would dictate a permit be required, so police can be ready for the trouble. I have no problem with requiring a permit to gather on public property, just as long as those permits are automatically granted and not denied for political reasons.
    I think any permit system would become just such. Which is why I oppose permits (permits means getting permission) for exercise of rights.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think any permit system would become just such. Which is why I oppose permits (permits means getting permission) for exercise of rights.
    I understand you point, but common sense has to come into play at some point.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I understand you point, but common sense has to come into play at some point.
    I would say that comes in when wanting to close down streets or something like that. Otherwise, I think it needs to be fair game.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would say that comes in when wanting to close down streets or something like that. Otherwise, I think it needs to be fair game.
    You're right, but like I say an event can quickly out grow a sidewalk and I just think that municipalalities need a heads up, so they can monitor the event. Perhaps a permit system that's free and isn't a permit for permission, as much as documentation showing that the organizers of the event gave proper notice to city officials.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Geert Wilders is, without a doubt, a small-minded ignoramus. However, it behooves us to allow him to express his opinions freely so that they can be exposed to criticism. By placing limits on his freedom of expression, the UK has implicitly acknowledged that they're unable or unwilling to prove him wrong.

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Amr ibn Ubayd View Post
    Geert Wilders is, without a doubt, a small-minded ignoramus. However, it behooves us to allow him to express his opinions freely so that they can be exposed to criticism. By placing limits on his freedom of expression, the UK has implicitly acknowledged that they're unable or unwilling to prove him wrong.
    Geert Wilders's warnings about Islam are right on target.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Geert Wilders's warnings about Islam are right on target.
    Geert Wilder's warnings about Islam are a product of his small-minded ignorance. His criticisms are laughably illogical; superimposing out-of-context passages from the Qur'an over footage of terrorist acts committed by self-proclaimed Muslims does not a compelling argument against Islam make.

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