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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I think this is stereotypical, anti-American drivel. It's hard to get in, yes. The standards should be relaxed, yes. That doesn't make it less free, or at least to the degree to which you want to make it seem.
    This has been and always been about entering a country. Geert Wilders was denied access to the UK, and now that was overturned.

    Maybe it's easier to get into Europe, but I don't have the freedom in Europe I have in the US once there.
    I always here this, but are you so sure? What "freedoms" do they have that we dont have over here?

    Each place has plus and minuses, but it seems that you want to exaggerate the magnitude of the effect the rules for getting into this country has.
    I am not exaggerating anything, that is how it is! .. well okay the anal probe was an exaggeration.. its not that bad But the point is and was that it is far harder for me to get into the US than an American can get into most of Europe...no exaggeration, that is the fact of life now.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I always here this, but are you so sure? What "freedoms" do they have that we dont have over here?
    I have well more. From guns to protest to redress to control over government to more open economy etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am not exaggerating anything, that is how it is! .. well okay the anal probe was an exaggeration.. its not that bad But the point is and was that it is far harder for me to get into the US than an American can get into most of Europe...no exaggeration, that is the fact of life now.
    The exaggeration is trying to overemphasis it's impact on overall freedom, which is where you are making the exaggeration.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I have well more. From guns to protest to redress to control over government to more open economy etc.
    hehe, well that we can discuss in another topic because other than guns, I would say we have similar if not more freedoms over here in Europe.

    The exaggeration is trying to overemphasis it's impact on overall freedom, which is where you are making the exaggeration.
    Not if it is confined to entry to said country only. It was not over exaggerated at all.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    hehe, well that we can discuss in another topic because other than guns, I would say we have similar if not more freedoms over here in Europe.
    Country dependent. UK has a relatively open economy, but protesting and such is heavily regulated. France has a very closed economy, protest seems tough, and they really discriminate against Muslims. Europe can't be whitewashed into one thing, and some places are better than others. Withe Ireland and Scotland being cooler than every other place in Europe as the Irish and the Scottish rock!

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not if it is confined to entry to said country only. It was not over exaggerated at all.
    No, because you're trying to make it seem that because of restrictions into the country that we have no freedom. That's your exaggeration. Saying this one thing so greatly impacts the overall amount of freedom that America can no longer compete.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Country dependent. UK has a relatively open economy, but protesting and such is heavily regulated. France has a very closed economy, protest seems tough, and they really discriminate against Muslims. Europe can't be whitewashed into one thing, and some places are better than others. Withe Ireland and Scotland being cooler than every other place in Europe as the Irish and the Scottish rock!
    So you are saying that in the US, you can in any city without getting permission from the local police, start up a protest march of many people?

    No, because you're trying to make it seem that because of restrictions into the country that we have no freedom. That's your exaggeration. Saying this one thing so greatly impacts the overall amount of freedom that America can no longer compete.
    No I never stated that and it was never intended to be anything other than a comment about entering the US since the whole subject is about entering a country.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are saying that in the US, you can in any city without getting permission from the local police, start up a protest march of many people?
    Usually, less you're leading a parade down a street or something like that. If you're just going to corners or parks or whatever to protest and wave signs, it's fine. Less you're on private property, then you have to get the property owner's permission.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No I never stated that and it was never intended to be anything other than a comment about entering the US since the whole subject is about entering a country.
    The way you stated thing conveyed that meaning though.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Usually, less you're leading a parade down a street or something like that. If you're just going to corners or parks or whatever to protest and wave signs, it's fine. Less you're on private property, then you have to get the property owner's permission.
    Same over here funny enough.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Can people waltz into your country?
    I think that must be Austria you're thinking of.
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Same over here funny enough.
    Some places have made it so that permit is needed in general. The government has to be advised, basically. I don't like that in the least. Protest must be protected.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Dutch right-winger Geert Wilders wins challenge against British ban

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    No, I said



    In no way did I state anything about immigration, illegal aliens and so on.
    So, what's your point?
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