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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Yes. I do that.. Because the model do not work, which will be proven to you when China takes over and progresses on a non-maximize profit model, but a max progress model. China I believe will take capitalism out of the patent driven model, where progress is sacrificed for maximum profit and exploitation.
    You are kidding right? The human rights abuse in China is unparalleled; and all in the name of profit, specifically profit for the state. The government devalues the purchasing power of their citizens currency so to maximize their export capability. To speculate into whether their current economic system will transform into a "progress oriented model" is rather odd given where they seem to be headed.

    Capitalism has existed for thousands of years. Where did it get us? Look at the mess of a world we live in. Say with you hand on the heart that capialism is a fair model, which brings to all people a decent living situation, maximizes progress, and organizes society.
    Markets have existed for thousands of years, but the concept of capitalism is relatively new.

    If you can say that, then you lie.
    The capitalist intent is not to bring all people a decent living situation, et al. You can claim a system that does so is superior, but will have very little in regards to proof that a system that does not center on profit motive will improve all of society.

    One of the notions currently being bastardized is that the Netherlands is somehow a socialist utopia when reality dictates that could be any farther from the truth. Whilst it is true that the Netherlands offers a rather generous welfare entitlement to those in need, the profit motive (not welfare benefits) is still the driving force behind their economy and their tax base where the government is able to provide services to such a small population.

    With the the vast differences in demographics and size, to expect a similar centralized system within the US is nothing more than wishful thinking.


    PS. Africa is the most capitalistic continent in the world.
    Africa is one of the least transparent and most corrupt area's in the world. Capitalism is based on competition and the pricing mechanism reaching equilibrium that is determined on producer/consumer decision making. Given that Africa uses weapons and war as a means of competition rather than productivity and opportunity cost, the notion that Africa is the most capitalistic country in the world is rather mind boggling.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Africa is one of the least transparent and most corrupt area's in the world. Capitalism is based on competition and the pricing mechanism reaching equilibrium that is determined on producer/consumer decision making. Given that Africa uses weapons and war as a means of competition rather than productivity and opportunity cost, the notion that Africa is the most capitalistic country in the world is rather mind boggling.
    Law, order and liquidity, all that Africa lacks. Blaming capitalism wont solve their problems.

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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK.

    Not only was the last post a strawman . . .

    THIS post is about moving goalposts. I met your challenges.
    If you say so.

    You can only respond by criticizing something different, something completely outside the scope of anything I said.
    Are you trying to imitate Navy Pride?

    If you're embarrassed by your own hackery here and feel you have to try to cover it up with a flurry of words, well, that's your own problem.
    I'm a partisan hack....by considering both parties bad for the same practices while you consider only one party bad for the same practices?

    How does that work?

    Can you define "Hypocrite" for me?
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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Communism is the way!!!! Love Lenin comrade! Show me some sources to prove your assertions. Oh, btw and this has what to do with the reserve currency?
    Currencies shouldnt exist. One should pay a basket of goods by units of labour. The difference between maximum and minimum value of labour should be minimized.. Thats what this has to do with currency..

    And no. Communism as you think of it is no alternative. The only alternative is a common sense mix of different models.

    But lets redefine communism in your minds for a second anyways from meaning "evil Stalin Soviet mass murder etc etc", to the actual meaning, "all for one, in community we live TOGETHER, not AGAINST each other". Thats the core idea from communism, that should live on. The "selfish greed go it alone, everything for myself **** the rest" part of capitalism should be disposed of alltogether.
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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You are kidding right? The human rights abuse in China is unparalleled; and all in the name of profit, specifically profit for the state. The government devalues the purchasing power of their citizens currency so to maximize their export capability. To speculate into whether their current economic system will transform into a "progress oriented model" is rather odd given where they seem to be headed.
    Chinas capitalism purely believes in progress. US capitalism purely believe in profit.

    The Chinese dont give a flying **** if they can squeeze paper value and computer digits out of a product, the only aim of their model is to use it for progress, and use capitalism against all other states to progress against them.

    THe US model is just completely invalid, it revolves around building aircastles to create the biggest piles of paper with print on them, and completely overlooks the progress part of capitalism, in favour of pleasure and ability for doing nothing/laziness, which is the ultimate goal of American capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Markets have existed for thousands of years, but the concept of capitalism is relatively new.
    Capitalism has existed for ages, markets have existed as long as humans have been intelligent.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The capitalist intent is not to bring all people a decent living situation, et al. You can claim a system that does so is superior, but will have very little in regards to proof that a system that does not center on profit motive will improve all of society.
    Actually, the contrary is proving right. Seemingly, the US is now going to be the first undeveloping country, Europe is following. Capitalist success brings definete decline, because the will to work, the will for effort, the will for improvement dries out in an orgie of pleasures, speculation, and schemes. Real wealth has and is at currently moving from the west to the east. In the future, we are poor, they rich.

    Just look at western society and what will be left when we are stuck paying for our past mistakes, when education levels are going down, most of the population is useless at doing anything, much of the population has no ability to do anything. Then we are just a worthless society in decline. The west is going dumb, lazy, uneducated, unhealthy and the decline is continuous.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    One of the notions currently being bastardized is that the Netherlands is somehow a socialist utopia when reality dictates that could be any farther from the truth. Whilst it is true that the Netherlands offers a rather generous welfare entitlement to those in need, the profit motive (not welfare benefits) is still the driving force behind their economy and their tax base where the government is able to provide services to such a small population.
    That is not the problem. The problem at the moment is governance, the second problem is sustainability, and the third stable progress. We need a semi-government, semi-private market with strick regulations, no individuals in power, no parties, just the people deciding. Labour+value based payment and market system. We need a market free of speculations with set terms. Fluctuating values to make up for a faulty model is wrong. We need to set permanent conditions and work around those. Our values must be based around the totality of the progress of society, not around gambling and speculation.
    Food and water safety, property, social security must be controlled by the people in governance and be the only role of governbment, the market free, but priced in labour. Transparancy is the only way to go, and anti corruption measures must be built into any post revolution government.. Yes, revolution.. Thats the only solution against the corruption which is going on in governance now.


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    With the the vast differences in demographics and size, to expect a similar centralized system within the US is nothing more than wishful thinking.

    We cannot look to any system for a solution, we must rebuild and recreate the system. We cannot let the few slave the rest. We all need to change, not only the US system, we must have a complete and utter political revolution in the west to avoid a meltdown of our society and core values(the ones independent on the system).


    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Africa is one of the least transparent and most corrupt area's in the world. Capitalism is based on competition and the pricing mechanism reaching equilibrium that is determined on producer/consumer decision making. Given that Africa uses weapons and war as a means of competition rather than productivity and opportunity cost, the notion that Africa is the most capitalistic country in the world is rather mind boggling.
    Africa is all about money, its all about short profit, Africa is very transparent. All you have to do is steal by force, either as government, organisation, group or individuals. Its far more transparent than the western crook system.
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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Djoop View Post
    Law, order and liquidity, all that Africa lacks. Blaming capitalism wont solve their problems.
    We, the capialists of the west, raped and robbed the African continent. Its the most capialist history ever.
    Certainly capitalism is to blame for African missery...

    But you are right. It will not solve their problem..

    Thomas Sankara was solving their problems, yet he was killed(probably by the capialist French)...
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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Chinas capitalism purely believes in progress. US capitalism purely believe in profit.

    The Chinese dont give a flying **** if they can squeeze paper value and computer digits out of a product, the only aim of their model is to use it for progress, and use capitalism against all other states to progress against them.

    THe US model is just completely invalid, it revolves around building aircastles to create the biggest piles of paper with print on them, and completely overlooks the progress part of capitalism, in favour of pleasure and ability for doing nothing/laziness, which is the ultimate goal of American capitalism.



    Capitalism has existed for ages, markets have existed as long as humans have been intelligent.




    Actually, the contrary is proving right. Seemingly, the US is now going to be the first undeveloping country, Europe is following. Capitalist success brings definete decline, because the will to work, the will for effort, the will for improvement dries out in an orgie of pleasures, speculation, and schemes. Real wealth has and is at currently moving from the west to the east. In the future, we are poor, they rich.

    Just look at western society and what will be left when we are stuck paying for our past mistakes, when education levels are going down, most of the population is useless at doing anything, much of the population has no ability to do anything. Then we are just a worthless society in decline. The west is going dumb, lazy, uneducated, unhealthy and the decline is continuous.




    That is not the problem. The problem at the moment is governance, the second problem is sustainability, and the third stable progress. We need a semi-government, semi-private market with strick regulations, no individuals in power, no parties, just the people deciding. Labour+value based payment and market system. We need a market free of speculations with set terms. Fluctuating values to make up for a faulty model is wrong. We need to set permanent conditions and work around those. Our values must be based around the totality of the progress of society, not around gambling and speculation.
    Food and water safety, property, social security must be controlled by the people in governance and be the only role of governbment, the market free, but priced in labour. Transparancy is the only way to go, and anti corruption measures must be built into any post revolution government.. Yes, revolution.. Thats the only solution against the corruption which is going on in governance now.





    We cannot look to any system for a solution, we must rebuild and recreate the system. We cannot let the few slave the rest. We all need to change, not only the US system, we must have a complete and utter political revolution in the west to avoid a meltdown of our society and core values(the ones independent on the system).




    Africa is all about money, its all about short profit, Africa is very transparent. All you have to do is steal by force, either as government, organisation, group or individuals. Its far more transparent than the western crook system.
    You do not make any... i repeat... any...****ing sense. I would reply to your statements but what is the point? You are not going to reply to anything i state. Completely ignoring the human rights abuses that are going on every day, in the name of profit, and then state China is about progress is full of ****. Im talking to the point where i have to stand back and cover my nose and mouth so not to be exposed to its stench.

    Your inability to view anything except for Utopian Marxism as a positive sum game will continue to plague all aspects of your analysis of economic systems.

    Strictly speaking, i would not be at all surprised if you were completely drunk right now.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You do not make any... i repeat... any...****ing sense. I would reply to your statements but what is the point? You are not going to reply to anything i state. Completely ignoring the human rights abuses that are going on every day, in the name of profit, and then state China is about progress is full of ****. Im talking to the point where i have to stand back and cover my nose and mouth so not to be exposed to its stench.

    Your inability to view anything except for Utopian Marxism as a positive sum game will continue to plague all aspects of your analysis of economic systems.

    Strictly speaking, i would not be at all surprised if you were completely drunk right now.
    Nice way to debate.. End of discussion..

    I could also write some cheesy post like this about your bull****, but thats not a debate.


    Soooo... Booooooring..
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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus Zeebra View Post
    Nice way to debate.. End of discussion..

    I could also write some cheesy post like this about your bull****, but thats not a debate.

    Soooo... Booooooring..
    You do not debate, instead you use subjective inaccuracies and opinions as a premise for your opinion.

    State some facts from time to time, that back up your assertions, otherwise they going to continue falling apart at the waist side.

    Example: (and lets just start here)

    Capitalist success brings definete decline, because the will to work, the will for effort, the will for improvement dries out in an orgie of pleasures, speculation, and schemes.
    Do have anything in the realm of facts to back up this opinion?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Dollar loses reserve status to yen & euro

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    You do not debate, instead you use subjective inaccuracies and opinions as a premise for your opinion.

    State some facts from time to time, that back up your assertions, otherwise they going to continue falling apart from the waist side.

    Example: (and lets just start here)



    Do have anything in the realm of facts to back up this opinion?
    Uninteresting.. This is just getting boring again.. You have no sense of reality, and when somebody elses opinion contradicts your own, you just pull ****ty cards and run out of the building without answering anything.
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