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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Here is a statement from PWC themselves on page one of the report.




    A report bought and paid for by the health insurance industry (America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP)), which is all fine and dandy, as long as it's recognized as such.

    PWC didn't do a complete comprehensive study of the bill, it picked and choose what information to use, what information to ignore and how to use that information, or lack of, to give it's employer what it wanted to hear.

    Yup, yup, that's what happened.

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    A report bought and paid for by the health insurance industry (America's Health Insurance Plans (AHIP)), which is all fine and dandy, as long as it's recognized as such.
    What's really funny is that Baucus is also in the pocket of H.I. co's.

    So... they trash a bill that had their fingerprints all over it?

    Something tells me they don't want a HC bill. ...surprise!

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    What's really funny is that Baucus is also in the pocket of H.I. co's.

    So... they trash a bill that had their fingerprints all over it?

    Something tells me they don't want a HC bill. ...surprise!

    They want one that makes lots of people buy their product, but doesn't force them to cover stuff, or stop their obscene price hikes.

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Well, that's probably what you'll get if Baucus's bill becomes law.
    It's what we'll get if the bill does NOT become law. We're screwed either way.

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    In the end, one of 2 things will happen:

    1) The government will make life and death health care decisions for us.

    OR

    2) Things will stay as they are, with the health insurance lobby making the life and death decisions for us.

    What I want to know is this: What in the hell happened to option 3?

    3) The doctor and the patient making the life and death decisions.

    Look in the garbage for that one. That is where both the government and the health insurance industry have put it. Health care has become just another racket. The Mafia are envious.
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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    What I want to know is this: What in the hell happened to option 3?

    3) The doctor and the patient making the life and death decisions.
    No, the most that will come of this is you'll need to buy a catastophic policy.

    If you're able to pay out of pocket for most of your HC, you'll still be able to.

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    They want one that makes lots of people buy their product, but doesn't force them to cover stuff, or stop their obscene price hikes.


    Check it out, official AHIP talking points memo leaked: yes mandates, no public option ever.


    Secret AHIP Talking Points: Mandates Good, Public Option Bad | TPMDC

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If you plan on attacking the credibility of this report I would ask that you actually address the methodology of PwC instead dismissing it as industry propaganda.
    I understand what you are saying, but at the same time, I have to question it based on the fact that the industry could end up loosing a lot under the plan. So they have a vested interest in reaching this result.

    The PWC methodology maybe correct, but were the numbers given to them correct?

    I would rather see a report from a totally independent agency or organization.

    On the other hand, knowing that some kind of bill will be hammered out, I am at the point where I have a wait and see attitude. This whole issue is so confusing, so partisan and so full of misleading statements, examples and emotions that I am not really sure who to believe.

    When it comes to big issues, I have learned to have such an attitude, instead of getting so emotionally wrapped up in what amounts to a feeding frenzy. I did that when 911 happened, turned off the tube, the talking heads, the partisan BS and sat back and thought, we're going to get ourselves in a lot of trouble if we don't stop.

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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Just Plain Jim View Post
    I understand what you are saying, but at the same time, I have to question it based on the fact that the industry could end up loosing a lot under the plan. So they have a vested interest in reaching this result.

    The PWC methodology maybe correct, but were the numbers given to them correct?

    I would rather see a report from a totally independent agency or organization.

    On the other hand, knowing that some kind of bill will be hammered out, I am at the point where I have a wait and see attitude. This whole issue is so confusing, so partisan and so full of misleading statements, examples and emotions that I am not really sure who to believe.

    When it comes to big issues, I have learned to have such an attitude, instead of getting so emotionally wrapped up in what amounts to a feeding frenzy. I did that when 911 happened, turned off the tube, the talking heads, the partisan BS and sat back and thought, we're going to get ourselves in a lot of trouble if we don't stop.

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    The government has a vested interest in its plan. So how would you make an educated choice? Who is really independent on this issue?
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    Re: Health insurers report slams Baucus bill

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    The government has a vested interest in its plan. So how would you make an educated choice? Who is really independent on this issue?
    The people
    The government
    The industry

    All have a vested interest.


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