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White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

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During the election season.
I'm sorry -- di dyou answer my original question?

And then:
Was that fox NEWS, or some of the people that have OPINION shows on Fox?
 
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Yeah they were locked out by Perino near the end of his term.
Show this to be true.
 
bullsh!t. She got caught lying like a dog and tried her best to get out of it but Wallace had her nailed. She tried to continue with the lie, but was shown screen captures that clearly revealed her lies.

Why did I ask if you have trouble reading?? Because you denied that she said, even with the subtitles, that she said it was not out yet. I did notice that you backtracked and admitted I was right though.



:doh even with the slick slice and dice right in front of you, you still don't see it.
 
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Goobieman,
your thread and your OP have missed the point. Your article left out context when it quoted Dunn. she went on to say:

We asked Chris [Wallace] for an example where he [fact checked] anybody besides somebody from the administration in the year 2009, and we're still waiting to hear from him.

I'm surprised that the article made it sound like something different than the Dem was actually saying. I mean, sure, she was complaining about Fox, and sure, the press ought to factcheck.

But the simple, relevant fact here, is that Fox is obviously biased versus the Obama administration, and that's what Dunn was talking about. she wasn't saying that the press shouldn't factcheck at all. she was saying that the Sunday shows rarely do, because they don't, and that it was an obvious example of bias that Fox has only done it in 2009.
 
:doh even with the slick slice and dice right in front of you, you still don't see it.

Although I looked at the video you posted, I didn't need to see it because I saw the original program. I was amazed that she continued her dodge, even when shown proof that she was wrong and a liar.

Maybe YOU should try looking at the entire segment and even you might see what a joke this woman was, although I doubt you would admit it. The short video you posted is only a tiny bit of the interview.
 
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Hahaha so now you're saying the NY Times and NBC declared war on the Bush administration. Do you have any proof of this? Links please? Do we have an official declaration from the news agencies saying they are at war with the Bush Administration? I thought not.

Being trite appears to be one of your strong suits.

You seem to forget all the news agencies were gung ho for the Iraq war and helped cheerlead us into the war.

Yes they were, the NY Times even had their own little cheer leader; then they decided the war might provide too much support for the “evil” Bush and they fired the Bush administration cheer leader they had on staff and began their campaign of ignorance against the Iraq war and the Bush administration.

I would guess that when Americans have had enough of the current administrations totalitarian tactics, lies, distortions and criminally negligent spending, they will turn on Obama as well.

But as for your claim that they declared war on the bush administration are you not in same way also admitting Fox news declared war on the Obama administration much as you'd be admitting they did during the Clinton administration. That's how Fox got started was it not?

I see that you are missing the point of the thread, it isn’t about a media outlet declaring war on an administration, it is about the administration declaring war on a free speech media outlet.

I am hardly surprised that you cannot distinguish the difference however based on your hyperbolic arguments.

There hasn't been an honest and open debate on health care. When you have news agencies claiming there are death panels, veteran death books and people at town hall meetings shutting down debate there won't be an honest discussion.

This is an opinion expressed in a vacuum of the facts or reality. Your efforts to select just those issues that fit your narrow myopic views notwithstanding, ANY open debate regardless of the substance is a GOOD thing in a Republic and with that debate and dialogue one can get the facts and make a GOOD decision with GOOD policy.

Regarding the “death panel” topic, what I find most amusing is the notion that they wont make those decisions. Here is a Liberal advisor to the President and Democrats telling the truth; something this administration doesn’t like:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2EFSKVo0rs&feature=related"]YouTube - robertREiCH aka leftistTROLL--"we're gonna let you die."[/ame]

Robert in his own words states: “we’re going to let you die” and the audience claps.

Most of the polls out there support health care reform. Now let me ask you TD how often do you hear on the news stations about Insurance companies dropping people because of preexisting conditions?

If you polled me, I would state we need healthcare reform also; however, I have to ask the question, why is it that Liberal Democrats think that the ONLY option for reform requires a massive expansion of the Federal Bureaucracy and corresponding massive addition to the deficits and National Debt?

Why is it that Liberals and Liberal Democrats feel the need to demagogue insurance companies who employ many thousands of Americans and provide a very necessary service?

Insurance companies can only DROP people with pre-existing conditions if the LIED on their applications when they obtained the insurance. Insurance companies can CHOOSE to not cover individuals with pre-existing conditions for the simple reason that they are not charities but for profit organizations.

How much money do you think it will cost the Government to provide care for Americans with “pre-existing” conditions and how do you think they are going to pay for it?

You know that insurance companies consider acne to be a preexisting condition? Women have the greatest obstacles as getting pregnant is considered optional to insurance companies. Women who have C-sections, that's considered a preexisting condition. How often are we hearing about the scams these insurance companies run?

The notion that these are scams is absurd in the extreme. These are REAL issues and conditions. I just want to know how you think that trying to destroy an industry with demagoguery is moving the debate forward in an honest or positive way.


What about the fact that insurance companies are perfectly fine with socialized property insurance? The government covers insurance companies when it comes to disaster insurance I guess the free market doesn't work in that scenario for them.

If you want to have a debate about Insurance companies, you should start a new thread, it has nothing to do with this topic does it?
 
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Ask the previous administration as they had done the same.

Really, please show with credible sources where the Bush administration engaged in a campaign to attack news organizations.
 
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Goobieman,
your thread and your OP have missed the point. Your article left out context when it quoted Dunn. she went on to say:
So what?
Does that mean it is somehow wrong to fact chack Dunn?
 
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So what?
Does that mean it is somehow wrong to fact chack Dunn?

no, LOL, it does not mean something that I didn't say and have already mentioned was fine to do.

so what, if Fox News is clearly biased and exercises a double standard? your question says it all.
 
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no, LOL, it does not mean something that I didn't say and have already mentioned was fine to do.
OK, so then where is the controversy?

FNC fact checked, and The Obama's administration took offense, leading them to blacklist FNC.

Do you think it was proper to blacklist FNC for doing its job?
 
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I'm sorry -- di dyou answer my original question?

And then:
Was that fox NEWS, or some of the people that have OPINION shows on Fox?

Lets see Brian Wilson is a reporter who was pushing the Kevin Jennings smear even after the network acknowledged it was false. Bill Hemmer also pushed the smear.

As shown previously by another member Chris Wallace edited an interview to smear Duckworth on the supposed Death Books.

Brit Hume tried to make a link to Obama being a muslim back in 2007.

Thats just to name a few. So are you saying that opinion shows that state things emphatically as being true but don't state that its just their opinion is totally okay with you?
 
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Your powers of observations are outstanding.



You exhibit a profound level of irony and delusion here dude.
Right back at ya.


Really??? So Liberal organizations and Liberals in general, and particularly on this forum, do not engage in the same demagoguery this administration has against Fox News?

One truly must chug a lot of kool-aid to make such obviously uniformed comments.

Of course they do, as do the Conservatives against anything and everything against their political beliefs. Partisanship isn't unique to one political spectrum.

Do me a favor, if this is NOT a partisan issue, please provide evidence where Republicans share the same views of this administration and Libruls against Fox News.
I have specifically stated this is a partisan issue. Why would I need to do that? :confused:


In order to fabricate such nonsensical views, one must also surmise that other news organizations do not have a political agenda and selective fact finding of their own; the recent CNN fact check of SNL is the most recent example.

With these types of continued nonsensical and generic responses from you I have to assume you are not reading any of my posts. If you had you would have read where I stated this was specifically a partisan issue by the White House and that ALL news agencies have a political agenda.

Face it Gibb, you’re a liberal selective hypocrite that engages into personal attacks on me for nothing better than you just don’t like your own lies, distortions and uninformed opinions slapped back into your face.

:rofl

You really need to stop making up lies and distortions to try and make yourself feel better. As stated above everything you have tried to attack me on is a complete fabrication created by you in your own little world and holds no truth in reality.

If you are going to attack me or my opinions at least do it with some dignity and don't try to present my stance in a complete 180 of reality.
 
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Lets see Brian Wilson is a reporter who was pushing the Kevin Jennings smear even after the network acknowledged it was false. Bill Hemmer also pushed the smear.

As shown previously by another member Chris Wallace edited an interview to smear Duckworth on the supposed Death Books.

Brit Hume tried to make a link to Obama being a muslim back in 2007.

Thats just to name a few.
I'm sorry -- did you answer my original question?
Or are you just avoiding it...?

You're going to have to do better than paraphrase from memory for any of this to mean anything.
 
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Being trite appears to be one of your strong suits.

Well you wanted to deal in bull**** so I thought I'd give you a refund.


Yes they were, the NY Times even had their own little cheer leader; then they decided the war might provide too much support for the “evil” Bush and they fired the Bush administration cheer leader they had on staff and began their campaign of ignorance against the Iraq war and the Bush administration.

Who was this supposed one cheerleader they had on staff? Why exactly was this person fired again? Do you have proof of this being the reason or is this just your personal opinion?

I would guess that when Americans have had enough of the current administrations totalitarian tactics, lies, distortions and criminally negligent spending, they will turn on Obama as well.

What "totalitarian tactics, lies distortions"? Again you're running on opinion. If you're going to call something totalitarian at least define it and show how it fits the definition of the word.



I see that you are missing the point of the thread, it isn’t about a media outlet declaring war on an administration, it is about the administration declaring war on a free speech media outlet.

Wasn't that your point? How is ignoring fox news declaring war on them? If they wanted to do that they'd use the government to shut down their outlet completely. So now you're just being over the top emotional. You seemed to have no problem when the previous administration went after NBC and the NY Times.

I am hardly surprised that you cannot distinguish the difference however based on your hyperbolic arguments.

I can tell the difference apparently you can't which is why we're having this discussion. Which of my statements are hyperbolic?

This is an opinion expressed in a vacuum of the facts or reality. Your efforts to select just those issues that fit your narrow myopic views notwithstanding, ANY open debate regardless of the substance is a GOOD thing in a Republic and with that debate and dialogue one can get the facts and make a GOOD decision with GOOD policy.

Try not to use big words that you might confuse yourself with. What I've posted is in regards to reality. You had no qualms when the prior administration did the same thing and Fox news was cheering them on but now that the shoe is on the other foot "oh noes poor fox". Debate hasn't been stifled Fox news is still allowed to make any ridiculous statements it sees fit just as much as the other networks are. How is fox being stifled? Their owner and president made it clear that Fox is an arm dedicated to attacking the left, democrats and anyone else who isn't to the right. That's what happens when you have a political operative running a "news" outlet.

Regarding the “death panel” topic, what I find most amusing is the notion that they wont make those decisions. Here is a Liberal advisor to the President and Democrats telling the truth; something this administration doesn’t like:

What I find most amusing is that you ignore that this is currently happening. People already get cut off by their insurer. Do yourself a favor look at your health plan how often are you allowed to visit your doctor? How much in prescriptions are you allowed? What's your yearly limit? What's your lifetime limit? You think any adviser to Obama is a liberal TD

YouTube - robertREiCH aka leftistTROLL--"we're gonna let you die."

Robert in his own words states: “we’re going to let you die” and the audience claps.

Not in his own words. Did you not listen to the set up? He said "This is what a person would say who was running for president but didn't want to be president. Things they should say but wouldn't."

And yet what is not truthful here? Our current insurance system is set up to avoid the sick. Its a for profit system sick people cost money healthy people don't. I know this logic escapes you.

If you polled me, I would state we need healthcare reform also; however, I have to ask the question, why is it that Liberal Democrats think that the ONLY option for reform requires a massive expansion of the Federal Bureaucracy and corresponding massive addition to the deficits and National Debt?
Not all liberals are democrats and not all democrats are liberal. Again you make the mistake of claiming such.

Why is it that Liberals and Liberal Democrats feel the need to demagogue insurance companies who employ many thousands of Americans and provide a very necessary service?

Very necessary? Except for someone like Cigna who just started cutting medical insurance for their own employees while the CEO makes 30 million a year. I would have a bit more compassion for them if I wasn't always hearing about how Cigna, or Aetna or Blue Cross ****ed someone out of their own insurance after years of paying premiums. How Healthnet got busted for holding contests for their employees of how many patients they could cut from their roles.

Insurance companies can only DROP people with pre-existing conditions if the LIED on their applications when they obtained the insurance. Insurance companies can CHOOSE to not cover individuals with pre-existing conditions for the simple reason that they are not charities but for profit organizations.

That's bull**** and you know it. That's why several of those companies have gotten sued and fined because they were finding the most spurious reasons to drop people. Pregnancy counts as pre-existing conditions, acne does, c sections do. They keep adding more and more pre-existing conditions to the list. You know pregnancy is a choice and isn't covered by many insurance companies?

How much money do you think it will cost the Government to provide care for Americans with “pre-existing” conditions and how do you think they are going to pay for it?
How much money do you think it costs for the government or insurance companies to pick up the tab when those people wait until the last minute and end up going to the ER?

The notion that these are scams is absurd in the extreme. These are REAL issues and conditions. I just want to know how you think that trying to destroy an industry with demagoguery is moving the debate forward in an honest or positive way.

I didn't know providing competition is considered destroying the industry? I thought the free market was good and building trusts are bad? You do know the health insurance industry is exempt from trusts many control entire markets individually and drive up premiums.



If you want to have a debate about Insurance companies, you should start a new thread, it has nothing to do with this topic does it?[/QUOTE]
 
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I'm sorry -- did you answer my original question?
Or are you just avoiding it...?

You're going to have to do better than paraphrase from memory for any of this to mean anything.

I did answer your question the people I listed above are Journalists and Anchors with fox news
 
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OK, so then where is the controversy?

FNC fact checked, and The Obama's administration took offense, leading them to blacklist FNC.

Do you think it was proper to blacklist FNC for doing its job?

Your version of the events is in error. If Fox has been blacklisted it's because it's a joke, not because they do their "job."

A few more relevant quotes from Dunn that you conveniently didn't see in Fox's story on Dunn.

"If we went back a year ago to the fall of 2008, to the campaign, that was a time this country was in two wars that we had a financial collapse probably more significant than any financial collapse since the Great Depression. If you were a Fox News viewer in the fall election what you would have seen were that the biggest stories and the biggest threats facing America were a guy named Bill Ayers and a something called ACORN."

"Obviously [the President] will go on Fox because he engages with ideological opponents. He has done that before and he will do it again... when he goes on Fox he understands he is not going on it as a news network at this point. He is going on it to debate the opposition."
 
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I did answer your question the people I listed above are Journalists and Anchors with fox news
As I said:
You're going to have to do better than paraphrase from memory for any of this to mean anything.

And my question -- the one you did NOT answer -- was:
Isn't checking facts and challenging the statements of thosein government things the press is SUPPOSED to do?
 
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Your version of the events is in error. If Fox has been blacklisted it's because it's a joke, not because they do their "job."
Such spin.
No surprise.
 
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As I said:
You're going to have to do better than paraphrase from memory for any of this to mean anything.

And my question -- the one you did NOT answer -- was:
Isn't checking facts and challenging the statements of thosein government things the press is SUPPOSED to do?

Making false statements isn't fact checking. When Fox needs its own fact checking fact checked there's something wrong there.
 
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Such spin.
No surprise.

question for you. why did the Fox story leave out relevant context from Dunn when they quoted her?

such spin. no surprise, indeed. :roll:
 
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question for you. why did the Fox story leave out relevant context from Dunn when they quoted her?

such spin. no surprise, indeed. :roll:

Because it wouldn't fit their storyline that poor little fox is getting attacked
 
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I linked the wrong thread; here is the correct initial personal attack which contained zero substance and nothing related to the thread topic for no other purpose than to bait and troll:

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...-escalates-war-fox-news-5.html#post1058315217

That link doesn't work.

Again, your diatribe lacks substance; please illustrate where I engaged in any personal attacks prior to the personal attacks on me in this thread.

Which personal attacks would those be? Calling your argument dishonest? :doh

I don’t give a damn whether you have a personal problem with me, that is YOUR problem not mine. I just want you to stop your trolling and baiting and selective outrage and your efforts to engage in personal attacks rather than substantive debate which appears to be a typical personality trait of Liberals.

I never said I had a personal problem with you. Where have I been baiting and trolling? I asked you a question in a civil and serious manner and expected a serious response. Was I expecting too much?

The above is nothing more than an outright lie. It begs the question, why do feel it is always pertinent to engage in personal attacks that have nothing to do with the thread topic and are merely intended to derail the thread with whiney diatribe?

Please, show me where I have attacked you.

Once again this is nothing more than more selective memory and selective outrage. When Gibberish personally attacked me on this thread for no other purpose than to engage in trolling and baiting, you were silent; why do you think that is?

Because calling your argument dishonest isn't a personal attack.

Why does your personal opinion about my “generalizations” against Liberals matter?

It matters just as much as your opinions do.

Why don’t you prove that I made a “generalization” when I suggested that the attacks on Fox News are purely Liberal/Democrat attempts to demagogue and silence their political opponents?

Because that in and of itself is a generalization based on your own opinion. Would you care to prove that it is a purely Liberal thing?

The answer is obvious to anyone with a modicum of honesty. It wasn’t “generalizing”, it is a FACT that the attacks on Fox a purely Liberal/Democrat efforts to demagogue a news organization that exposes the lies, distortions and disinformation being disseminated by this administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes.

Just because you characterize your opinion as FACT doesn't make it so.

Frankly, I have to say I have YET to see you whine about Liberals generalizing about Conservatives and if you did, you would have little time for much else. You just cannot be honest that you are engaging in selective outrage for the reason that you cannot engage me factually in honest debate and rather attempt to make this about personality.

Both sides are guilty of it and I have called out both sides.

The following are attempts to bait and troll and have nothing to do with the thread topic or any relevance in this debate. Your efforts to pretend they had substance merely speak more to your hypocrisy, selective outrage and denial:



QUOTE=Dr_Patrick; You act as if this is the first time, TD. You do it time and time again, which is why a lot of people around here have a problem with you.

QUOTE=Dr_Patrick;Ah, but see...you appear to characterize damn near any post that disagrees with your point of view as "whiney hyperbolic stupidity." I call you out on it because it gets old. You are good at arguing and you would be a really good debater on these boards if you could focus your attacks on their arguments rather than them personally. Though, you just can't seem to help yourself and always include a personal attack against them.

QUOTE=Dr_Patrick;Don't worry, TD. I wouldn't expect you to see what you do. Few people have that ability.

Carry on. :roll:

Nah, it would be baiting and trolling if I was doing it to try and get a rise out of you. I was merely being honest.
 
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Making false statements isn't fact checking. When Fox needs its own fact checking fact checked there's something wrong there.
Yhis is you dodgng my question and my request for a credible source to back your assertions.

As I said:
You're going to have to do better than paraphrase from memory for any of this to mean anything.

And my question -- the one you did NOT answer -- was:
Isn't checking facts and challenging the statements of thosein government things the press is SUPPOSED to do?
 
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What part of Talk Show versus NEWS do you continue to not comprehend?

This would be like me suggesting that Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews' are news Journalists! :rofl

Got irony? So where are we in disagreement on this topic?

I just find your selective outrage amusing. It's okay for Fox News to go on the attack, but not okay for other news organizations to go on the attack against Bush. Gotcha.

Again it begs the question; why would ANY Government entity target ANYONE in the media, let alone someone with a talk show like O’Reilly?

Who knows? They obviously have too much time on their hands.

ANYONE with a modicum of honesty would not defend such actions and instead be afraid of such a “totalitarian” type of tactic.

I fail to see how it's totalitarian. It would be so if they were actively trying to silence these people. However, they aren't. They are instead criticizing them, which as we both agree, is stupid.

Again to my arguments; apparently targeting talk show hosts and media outlets is a Liberal personality trait.

Which is where you are wrong. Can you prove that all Liberals are like this?
 
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