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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    the grey lady's media analyst david carr declares fox the winner in the white house vs network war

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    ...So far, the only winner in this latest dispute seems to be Fox News. Ratings are up 20 percent this year, and the network basked for a week in the antagonism of a sitting president

    It could all be written off as a sideshow, but it may present a genuine problem for Mr. Obama, who took great pains during the campaign to depict himself as being above the fray of over-heated partisan squabbling. In his victory speech he promised, “I will listen to you, especially when we disagree...”
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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    Michael Wolff of Newser and Vanity Fair has a new theory:


    I’ve Changed My Mind on the Obama-Fox Showdown
    by Michael Wolff


    (snip ... ) So I am revising my theory of what the Obama administration is doing in its frontal assault on Fox: I think they want us to take sides. Are you a Fox person or not a Fox person? And I think they want to identify Fox as the standard bearer of American conservatism. If you’re a conservative, you’re for Fox (ie, is that who you want to be?).

    They are going to combine this triangulation with their passing of a health care bill. I think they believe that, once this has been passed, to have opposed it will be like opposing Social Security.

    Hence, Republicanism = conservatism = Fox = rabid opposition to an incredibly popular piece of legislation = hopeless marginalization = new liberal consensus.

    more ...

    I’ve Changed My Mind on the Obama-Fox Showdown



    David Frum, and Andrew Sullivan, think there's something to it:

    Why is the White House Attacking Fox?

    October 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pm by David Frum


    Michael Wolff has a sharp theory: (snip ... ) It’s a perfect convergence: What is good for Fox is good for Obama, and what is good for Obama is good for Fox, and their mutual victim is the Republican party.

    http://www.newmajority.com/why-is-th...-attacking-fox


    Fox And The White House, Hand In Hand


    David Frum and Michael Wolff explain.

    Whatever else they are, Barack Obama and Roger Ailes are not dumb. And this war helps both.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...d-in-hand.html
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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    I think it is rather simple to see, even without all the hyper partisan, and quasi liberals like David Frum to tell us. And that is that the Obama administration doesn't like the attention paid to them in a negative light when facts about their communist appointees are laid out there in the public domain, so they marginalize, and demonize, in an attempt to destroy them. All wrapped up with a not so veiled threat of 'watch what happens to Fox, you don't want the same do you?'

    They are the school ground bullies.


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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think it is rather simple to see, even without all the hyper partisan, and quasi liberals like David Frum to tell us. And that is that the Obama administration doesn't like the attention paid to them in a negative light when facts about their communist appointees are laid out there in the public domain, so they marginalize, and demonize, in an attempt to destroy them. All wrapped up with a not so veiled threat of 'watch what happens to Fox, you don't want the same do you?'

    They are the school ground bullies.


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    I think the problem is the media is always afraid of GOP administrations because they know abuse of Executive Branch power is never far off. Dems they feel safe with.
    Personally....I'd like to see some Exec Br. muscle flexed against Fox News....Just to get in their face a bit.
    What's Obama got to lose?.....The GOP suddenly gonna try to block his legislation?...They not gonna vote with the Dems?...They gonna bad mouth Obama??
    Give me a break!

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    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I think it is rather simple to see, even without all the hyper partisan, and quasi liberals like David Frum to tell us. And that is that the Obama administration doesn't like the attention paid to them in a negative light when facts about their communist appointees are laid out there in the public domain, so they marginalize, and demonize, in an attempt to destroy them. All wrapped up with a not so veiled threat of 'watch what happens to Fox, you don't want the same do you?'

    They are the school ground bullies.


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    Not a one of those people are hyperpartisan, and David Frum is not a quasi, or any kind, of liberal. Obama gets much more damaging negative criticism from his own side. If that is what it was about, he'd set his sights on the side that can damage him; not on the side that didn't vote for him, and won't next time around.

    Negative criticism isn't a problem. Lies and hypocrisy are. Besides, they said they will deal with Fox in the future, but won't pretend they're dealing with a news organization. And they're not, they're dealing with an organization that has an agenda, and has called themselves the opposition. Funny stuff, that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    Not a one of those people are hyperpartisan, and David Frum is not a quasi, or any kind, of liberal. Obama gets much more damaging negative criticism from his own side. If that is what it was about, he'd set his sights on the side that can damage him; not on the side that didn't vote for him, and won't next time around.

    Oh please. Spare me. Frum is a spineless little dweeb that takes more pleasure out of being a useful tool of the progressive leftist, statist liberals out there, all in the hopes of being invited to the next insider party. He is the guy that would gladly give up his lunch money than show a pair and stand up for what he believes in. He attacks, then cowers behind the skirts of the liberal big brother. As for sides, who cares who voted for whom in this game of Obama's? This is about control, and forceful bully tactics, or in short Chicago style thugmanship. Obama knows it, cut his teeth in it, and now contrary to what he promised America is going to bring it. But, as most bullies react, one good punch to the sweet spot on the chin, and he'll fold like a cheap suit, or coward he is.


    Negative criticism isn't a problem.
    It is a huge problem, and not just from FOX either. They can't reconcile their own party on anything, much less control a news outlet. They picked the wrong fight.

    Lies and hypocrisy are.
    I agree, Obama is quite the liar.


    Besides, they said they will deal with Fox in the future, but won't pretend they're dealing with a news organization.

    Yeah, so? They are still going to be asked tough questions.....Are they going to continue to attack anyone that gets in their way? This just isn't good for you demo's. Trust me.


    And they're not, they're dealing with an organization that has an agenda, and has called themselves the opposition.

    Maybe you'd like to provide where the news side of FOX news has said this?


    Funny stuff, that.

    It is, between you and devil, I am in stitches.


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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yeah, so? They are still going to be asked tough questions.....Are they going to continue to attack anyone that gets in their way? This just isn't good for you demo's. Trust me.

    Why should I trust you? Your post contained not a single argument, your only question is a 'when are you going to stop beating your wife' fallacy, b/c the premise of the question is dishonest and negative. They don't attack anyone that gets in their way (although there is a recent administration that did just that - in a personal character assassination type of way).

    There's nothing there, nothing to trust.

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    Before a dictator can control the government, he has to be able to control the media.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shoey View Post
    I'm distraught at the demeanor of this administration that broke a promise of hope & change and transparency, characteristic of a lack of disconnect with the American people. A President, who has comprised his campaign promises should elevate above the fracas and to embody all Americans, regardless of political affiliation. The arrogant, self centered behavior demonstrated by the Obama administration will steer a path of civil discourse in the political spectrum and ultimately implode at the heart of our great country. The Obama Administration, guilty of adhering and championing ideas from the book 'Rules for Radicals" that brought them into power. Saul Alinsky, a Marxist, author of the handbook is in this case are manifest and solely directed at #1 ranked Fox News.
    Yes.

    Woe be to liberty when the government decides to destroy part of the press simply because they're opposed to it.

    And the willing accomplices here forfeit any claim they have to being "for freedom." They're totalitarians perfectly comfortable stamping out people who say things they don't want to hear.
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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    msnbc's olbermann and chris (HA!) matthews anchor election and debate nites (before they got fired)

    msnbc, abc, cbs, nbc, cnn refuse to recognize van jones as news

    only fox covers the green energy czar who signs truther petitions and blames columbines only on whites

    the white house obviously felt jones was news, they fired him within the week

    only fox finds newsworthy the communications director who brags her admin "controls" news so as to avoid "talking to reporters" and admires mao as her model

    only fox reports on the science czar who once authored a book recommending forced sterilization, the safe schools czar who advises teens to use condoms before they rendevous with restroom pedophiles, the regulatory czar who favors banning hunting and allowing fido to sue his owners

    only fox airs videos of obama's parent organization fraudulently finagling home loans for folks who tell em they're for brothels of child prositution

    no wonder obama and his supporters despise fox

    most revealing

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