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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ah, but to the extent that is true (it wasn't quite the same thing; to my knowledge, the Bush White House never actually snubbed NBC, much as they complained, and most criticisms of the NYT had to do with publishing leaked classified info), the converse also applies -- many attacking Fox News NOW were just as rabid in their defense of those other news outlets.

    So yeah, it's entirely about point of view, not principle, however you slice it.
    You'll find that its easier to remember the present Harshaw but yes the Bush administration had snubbed reporters. Even Dana Perino admitted near the end of the Bush administration they had essential froze out MSNBC. You had Ed Gillespie writing letters to the president of NBC News complaining.

    Fox news had no problem supporting the bush administration's problems with NBC and the NYtimes. Even their contributors suggested a total freezeout of the network

    INGRAHAM: Now Karl, why would the White House agree to do an interview with Richard Engel? I mean, this is the guy who, you know, really didn’t want to give the surge any credit and NBC, an organization, obviously that’s called this a civil war. Now it’s kind of not gone back and changed his view on that. We’re in a recession, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, why bother really at this point? [The O'Reilly Factor, 5/19/09]

    – E.D. HILL: You know, I’m sure you know from watching this program that, you know, Bill has, you know, has been reporting for more than a year on a pattern suggesting that NBC News basically panders to the left and is, in essence, in the pocket for Barack Obama. Why go on a venue like that to begin with?

    GILLESPIE: Go on a venue like MSNBC?

    HILL: Yes.

    GILLESPIE: I don’t know. It’s — you know, the – you know, there are elements there who are clearly advocates for a candidate or a point of view, not even commentaries or commentators really or analysts. So I don’t know why he would. [The O'Reilly Factor, 5/22/08]

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm just saying he may be because he used to be the scapegoat that many on the left would use when they would criticize Fox News.
    Its easy to point to the most loud spoken over the top personality on the network... well before Glenn Beck moved there.

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    He was referring to your argument. Would you care to provide proof that he was attacking you personally there? Regardless, how exactly does that justify your personal attacks? And we aren't even just talking about Gibberish here. Most of your replies to people who don't agree with you have similar personal attacks. Do you take their disagreeing with you as a personal affront to you and then act accordingly? Is that how you justify it?
    I linked the wrong thread; here is the correct initial personal attack which contained zero substance and nothing related to the thread topic for no other purpose than to bait and troll:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058315217


    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    You act as if this is the first time, TD. You do it time and time again, which is why a lot of people around here have a problem with you.
    Again, your diatribe lacks substance; please illustrate where I engaged in any personal attacks prior to the personal attacks on me in this thread.

    I don’t give a damn whether you have a personal problem with me, that is YOUR problem not mine. I just want you to stop your trolling and baiting and selective outrage and your efforts to engage in personal attacks rather than substantive debate which appears to be a typical personality trait of Liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Ah, but see...you appear to characterize damn near any post that disagrees with your point of view as "whiney hyperbolic stupidity." I call you out on it because it gets old. You are good at arguing and you would be a really good debater on these boards if you could focus your attacks on their arguments rather than them personally. Though, you just can't seem to help yourself and always include a personal attack against them.
    The above is nothing more than an outright lie. It begs the question, why do feel it is always pertinent to engage in personal attacks that have nothing to do with the thread topic and are merely intended to derail the thread with whiney diatribe?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Perhaps that's how it is from your perspective, but I would be criticizing someone on the left just as much. Regardless, I don't fully disagree with you politically. I don't agree with your generalizations against Liberals, but I also don't agree with Liberals who make generalizations about Conservatives.
    Once again this is nothing more than more selective memory and selective outrage. When Gibberish personally attacked me on this thread for no other purpose than to engage in trolling and baiting, you were silent; why do you think that is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I don't agree with your generalizations against Liberals, but I also don't agree with Liberals who make generalizations about Conservatives.
    Why does your personal opinion about my “generalizations” against Liberals matter?

    Why don’t you prove that I made a “generalization” when I suggested that the attacks on Fox News are purely Liberal/Democrat attempts to demagogue and silence their political opponents?

    The answer is obvious to anyone with a modicum of honesty. It wasn’t “generalizing”, it is a FACT that the attacks on Fox a purely Liberal/Democrat efforts to demagogue a news organization that exposes the lies, distortions and disinformation being disseminated by this administration for purely hyper partisan political purposes.

    Frankly, I have to say I have YET to see you whine about Liberals generalizing about Conservatives and if you did, you would have little time for much else. You just cannot be honest that you are engaging in selective outrage for the reason that you cannot engage me factually in honest debate and rather attempt to make this about personality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Okay, see..this is exactly what I was talking about. Where did I attack you personally first that warranted this comment? I asked you why you do this in a civil manner with no insults and got the same behavior you always exhibit. Frankly, I don't even know why I bother.
    The following are attempts to bait and troll and have nothing to do with the thread topic or any relevance in this debate. Your efforts to pretend they had substance merely speak more to your hypocrisy, selective outrage and denial:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I have a serious question for you TD and I'm not attempting to be insulting any way, so I would highly appreciate a serious answer. If, as you say, the thread isn't about you or other people then why do you resort to personal attacks in your replies to people you don't agree with? In many of them you don't argue the point, but instead attack the poster personally by trying to insult their intelligence for daring to have another point of view. So, if you are so interested in staying on topic, why do you fail again and again to do this? For example, in this specific quote above you attack the person because you don't think they have the ability to be honest. That is a personal attack, is it not?
    QUOTE=Dr_Patrick; You act as if this is the first time, TD. You do it time and time again, which is why a lot of people around here have a problem with you.

    QUOTE=Dr_Patrick;Ah, but see...you appear to characterize damn near any post that disagrees with your point of view as "whiney hyperbolic stupidity." I call you out on it because it gets old. You are good at arguing and you would be a really good debater on these boards if you could focus your attacks on their arguments rather than them personally. Though, you just can't seem to help yourself and always include a personal attack against them.

    QUOTE=Dr_Patrick;Don't worry, TD. I wouldn't expect you to see what you do. Few people have that ability.

    Carry on.

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    If FNC is the opposition, and the opposition is more likely to be critical of the claims of the administration - by asking the tough questions and finding the inconvenient truths - aren't they then just doing their job?

    I mean, isn't the press SUPPOSED to do these things?
    Didn't know saying he went to a madrassa, calling him a muslim, having people on to talk about him being the antichrist, saying he's a socialist, communist, fascist was all about them finding the truth?

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    You'll find that its easier to remember the present Harshaw but yes the Bush administration had snubbed reporters. Even Dana Perino admitted near the end of the Bush administration they had essential froze out MSNBC. You had Ed Gillespie writing letters to the president of NBC News complaining.

    Fox news had no problem supporting the bush administration's problems with NBC and the NYtimes. Even their contributors suggested a total freezeout of the network
    Yeah well, we're not really taking issue with what FNC said they should do. We are taking issue with what the White House has ACTUALLY done under different administrations.

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I fail to see how that's so different from what Fox News is doing. Have you seen some of the stuff that Glenn Beck & Sean Hannity have been saying about the Obama Administration?
    What part of Talk Show versus NEWS do you continue to not comprehend?

    This would be like me suggesting that Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews' are news Journalists!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I realize that they are political commentary shows, but the Obama Administration is attacking Fox News in general, not only the news shows. In fact, their cross-hairs are probably more on those two (and perhaps O'Reilly) than anyone else at Fox News.
    Got irony? So where are we in disagreement on this topic?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    In fact, their cross-hairs are probably more on those two (and perhaps O'Reilly) than anyone else at Fox News.
    Again it begs the question; why would ANY Government entity target ANYONE in the media, let alone someone with a talk show like O’Reilly?

    ANYONE with a modicum of honesty would not defend such actions and instead be afraid of such a “totalitarian” type of tactic.

    Again to my arguments; apparently targeting talk show hosts and media outlets is a Liberal personality trait.

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah well, we're not really taking issue with what FNC said they should do. We are taking issue with what the White House has ACTUALLY done under different administrations.
    Perino admitted to pretty much locking out MSNBC near the end of their term. So its not about what they said they would do but what they did. Ed Gillespie personally wrote a letter to the NBC News president to bitch. Now how often does that happen?

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    Re: White House Escalates War of Words With Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    That is what she said .... and the only reason you know that is b/c the YouTube put in the vid of her original comments, not the clipped ones that Wallace played. Duckworth was talking about the REVISED one not yet out .... NOT the Bush one already out.


    and, ps, no, I have no trouble reading .... but why are you asking me personal questions?
    bullsh!t. She got caught lying like a dog and tried her best to get out of it but Wallace had her nailed. She tried to continue with the lie, but was shown screen captures that clearly revealed her lies.

    Why did I ask if you have trouble reading?? Because you denied that she said, even with the subtitles, that she said it was not out yet. I did notice that you backtracked and admitted I was right though.

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Didn't know saying he went to a madrassa, calling him a muslim, having people on to talk about him being the antichrist, saying he's a socialist, communist, fascist was all about them finding the truth?
    I'm sorry -- did you answer the question?

    Aside from that:
    When did Fox NEWS do this?

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    Re: White House [continues to] Escalates War on Fox News

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I get my news from a variety of sources as well and I love nothing more than to read an OpEd from someone I don't agree with. It helps me to either confirm or question and further expand my own opinions. If all I ever did was read news I agree with, I think my intellect would stagnate and eventually rot. I'm the girl who will pick up a book by Ann Coulter or Micheal Moore and find something interesting in each one.
    I am of the same opinion and cannot agree more; I find shows that agree with my point of view much more boring than those that differ from mine.

    I even watched Michael Moore's movies.....they were damned entertaining if not lacking in facts and substance.

    This brings us full circle to the thread topic; why then would an adminstration and political party spend so much time trying to silence a single news source they disagree with?

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