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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    10th amendment. Besides, it's the basis of what the system is built on. If you want to make some fundamental "right" issue on it, there is room. You can even argue against it being a base human right as the system originally revolved around only rich, white, land owners being allowed to vote. However, in general the Constitution does not list all our rights. But they have been reserved by the States and People.
    Granted, but the right to bear arms is one that is listed, is it not? One would think that might give it some weight.

    I thought the US Constitution originally pretty much left it to the States to determine voting procedures. Is it not true that a state can determine how to select their delegates to the Electoral Collage?

    I may be way off on this. I have only looked at US history as a hobby several years ago.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Ammunition Bill Signed into Law | News10.net | Sacramento, California | Local News





    Wow, it must hurt to have his head so far up his ass... This will do nothing for violent crime in California..
    Why not?
    Are you going to back that position up with anything?


    I guess I should stock up on ammo and open a stand on the border of California and Az and sell ammo to them.

    How do they plan on stopping people from going out of state to purchase? Further, how do they plan on stopping those same people from selling it to their friends?
    Unless you are licensed by the state and fed to sell ammo, it's illegal.

    Stupid ****ing legislation, the gun grabbers just don't have any common ****ing sense.
    The gun grabbers? Yeah, because an AMMUNITION BILL has a lot to do with 'grabbing' guns...

    First of all, do you even live in California? If not, mind your own frickin' business. If you do live in California, do you live in a city or a town?

    What is your problem with this bill? Honestly, from you little angry rant, I can't tell what your issue with the bill is...

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Why not?
    Are you going to back that position up with anything?


    Unless you are licensed by the state and fed to sell ammo, it's illegal.



    The gun grabbers? Yeah, because an AMMUNITION BILL has a lot to do with 'grabbing' guns...

    First of all, do you even live in California? If not, mind your own frickin' business. If you do live in California, do you live in a city or a town?

    What is your problem with this bill? Honestly, from you little angry rant, I can't tell what your issue with the bill is...
    Has any of your guys gun control done anything to curb crime in Cali? Nope... Just like in ****cago people still get guns and they still use them for crimes.

    The **** it's illegal for me to sell ammo to people from another state.. I do it all the time.

    And yes, this is another backdoor attempt by you and your ilk to control guns... from another angle.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Granted, but the right to bear arms is one that is listed, is it not? One would think that might give it some weight.

    I thought the US Constitution originally pretty much left it to the States to determine voting procedures. Is it not true that a state can determine how to select their delegates to the Electoral Collage?

    I may be way off on this. I have only looked at US history as a hobby several years ago.

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    I was talking about voting, as people seemed to have issue with that.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    The gun grabbers? Yeah, because an AMMUNITION BILL has a lot to do with 'grabbing' guns...

    First of all, do you even live in California? If not, mind your own frickin' business. If you do live in California, do you live in a city or a town?

    What is your problem with this bill? Honestly, from you little angry rant, I can't tell what your issue with the bill is...
    Really? Really, you're going to try to make that claim. It's not about "grabbing guns" because it's ammunition? Do you not see that as a coupled system? Seriously? Because I can't conceive of someone who'd think that stringent, overbearing, big brother tactics on restricting ammunition sale and use isn't anything but a backdoor anti-gun tactic to make gun ownership too troublesome and expensive to be worthwhile. I can't think anyone being intellectually honest could make such a claim.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really? Really, you're going to try to make that claim. It's not about "grabbing guns" because it's ammunition? Do you not see that as a coupled system? Seriously? Because I can't conceive of someone who'd think that stringent, overbearing, big brother tactics on restricting ammunition sale and use isn't anything but a backdoor anti-gun tactic to make gun ownership too troublesome and expensive to be worthwhile. I can't think anyone being intellectually honest could make such a claim.
    You dirty Harry-wanna-be's don't get it.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Is there a right-to-vote granted by the USA Constitution and, if so, where is it?

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    The constitution doesn't grant rights, though it innumerates many to protect people from government (ie. rights may not be abridged...).

    Amendment XIV, Section II mentions a "right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice Preseident of the United States, Representatives in Congress [etc]"

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    Amendment XV: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged...on account of race, color, [etc.etc]"

    and Amendment XIX: same as XV but to include women...

    all mention the "right to vote," which I believe was properly implied first under Amendment X, but had to be spelled out to fix problems of overreaching extant in state and federal systems.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Wonder what the motivation of Calif is with this proposed law. Is this for all ammunition ? Some ammunition is designed and used only for non restricted non registered guns there to required records for that type of ammunition can only mean that someone wants to build up a data bank of people who have guns that do not require registration. Certain ammunition is used in both rifles ( which do not require registration) and in handguns.

    If they think that they will get at people who have illegal weapons this will not work since those types will get their ammunition the way they got their weapons - illegally.

    On the surface this does not sound like a good law at all.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    You dirty Harry-wanna-be's don't get it.
    Oooh, nice rebuttal! You really refuted him point for point.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    398 chicago school kids have been shot in the last 12 months

    47 dead since jan 20, inauguration day

    24, 23 and 34 the last 3 school years

    all of which makes oddly more inexplicable obama's promotion of former pro basketball player arne duncan to cabinet status, secty of ed, after the ex hoopster calls himself a "total failure" when it comes to addressing school safety as ceo of chicago's public schools from 01 to 08

    Chicago Violence Haunts Obama as Gun-Control Backers Left Cold - Bloomberg.com

    Videotaped Death the Latest in Long History of Chicago Youth Violence

    chicago's gun ban obviously isn't working

    cnn reported last week that 18% of windy city's schoolers are armed

    Appeals court supports local gun bans - Chicago Breaking News

    of course, the young honor student whose murder last month was recorded on a cell phone and put on blast for all the world to see was done in not by firearm but via railroad tie

    maybe tie-control is in order

    but the gun ban seems to have done nothing to stem the "wave of violence" inundating the ed secty's home district

    maybe, like obama per the economy, duncan can argue things could be and would be worse without the actions he's taken

    except he repeatedly confesses to his "total failure" status

    so's the gun ban

    sad
    Last edited by The Prof; 10-12-09 at 09:17 PM.

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