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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    You must register to vote to exercise your right to vote, so registration is not an infringement.
    Maybe I'm dense, but voter registration is used to ensure that people are voting from their correct districts.. and disallowing people to be bussed in from neighboring states / districts?

    I think your argument is kinda flawed.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    Maybe I'm dense, but voter registration is used to ensure that people are voting from their correct districts.. and disallowing people to be bussed in from neighboring states / districts?

    I think your argument is kinda flawed.

    The argument presented was that registration as a pre-condition to exercising a right was an inherent infringement; I demonstrated it is not.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    You must register to vote to exercise your right to vote, so registration is not an infringement.
    I said:

    Further, registering people who buy ammunition is no different than registering people that buy guns. This is a precondition to the exercise of the right that is not inherent to the right itself, and therefore an infringement.
    Registration determines where the person should cast his ballot and, when he attemps to cast a ballot, if said person is in the right place to cast that ballot; as both of those things are a necessary component of the right to vote, registration IS a a precondition inherent to that right - which is why registration is not an infringement.

    The same is -not- true for guns.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer of .50 caliber rifles
    Is there a law in California prohibiting the purchase of .50 caliber rifles?? Can you buy .50 caliber muzzle loaders there?

    Crazy California.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Is there a law in California prohibiting the purchase of .50 caliber rifles?? Can you buy .50 caliber muzzle loaders there?
    Crazy California.
    They mean the .50BMG rifles.
    'Cause, you know, -so- many people have used them in crimes, and -so- many people have been killed by them.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Is there a law in California prohibiting the purchase of .50 caliber rifles?? Can you buy .50 caliber muzzle loaders there?

    Crazy California.
    I believe you can buy .50 cal muzzle loaders.. but no modern .50bmg rifles.

    It's what caused Ronnie Barrett to stop selling his rifles to California PD and swat teams... along with not servicing them for them anymore.

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    December 11, 2002
    Via Facsimile (213) 847-0676 and
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    Chief William J. Bratton
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    Re: LAPD 82A Rifle, Serial No. 1186

    Point of Contact: Jim Moody
    213 485 4061

    Dear Chief Bratton,

    I, a U.S. citizen, own Barrett Firearms Mfg. Inc., and for 20 years I have built .50 caliber rifles for my fellow citizens, for their Law Enforcement departments and for their nation's armed forces.

    You may be aware of the latest negative misinformation campaign from a Washington based anti-gun group, the Violence Policy Center. The VPC has, for three or so years, been unsuccessful in Washington, D.C. trying to demonize and ban a new subclass of firearms, the .50 caliber and other "too powerful" rifles. This type of nibbling process has been historically successful in civilian disarmament of other nations governed by totalitarian and other regimes less tolerant of individual rights than the United States .

    The VPC's most recent efforts directs this misinformation campaign at your state, attempting to get any California body to pass any law against .50 caliber firearms. In March 2002 the VPC caused the California State Assembly, Public Safety Committee to consider and reject the issue by a 5 to 0 with 1 abstaining vote.

    Regrettably, the same material has been presented to your city council. I personally attended the council meeting in Los Angeles regarding attempts to bar ownership of the .50 caliber rifle in your city. I was allowed to briefly address the council. The tone of the discussion was mostly emotionally based, so the facts that I attempted to provide were ineffective to the extent they were heard at all. The council voted to have the city attorney draft an ordinance to ban the .50, and further, to instruct the city's representatives in Sacramento and in Washington D.C. to push for bans at their respective levels.

    At that council meeting, I was very surprised to see an LAPD officer seated front and center with a Barrett 82A1 .50 cal rifle. It was the centerpiece of the discussion. As you know, there have been no crimes committed with these rifles, and most importantly, current California law does not allow the sale of the M82AI in the state because of its detachable magazine and features that make it an "assault weapon." This rifle was being deceptively used by your department. The officer portrayed it as a sample of a currently available .50 cal rifle, available for sale to the civilians of Los Angeles. One councilman even questioned how this rifle was available under current laws, but as I stated, facts were ineffective that day.

    Your officer, speaking for the LAPD, endorsed the banning of this rifle and its ammunition. Then he used the rifle for photo ops with the Councilmen each of whom, in handling the firearm, may have been committing a felony. I was amazed.

    Since 1968, with the closing of the U.S. Springfield Amory, all of the small arms produced for the various government agencies are from the private sector. Every handgun, rifle or shotgun that law enforcement needs comes from this firearms industry. Unless the City of Los Angeles has plans of setting up its own firearms manufacturing, it may need to guard the manufacturing sources it has now.

    When I returned to my office from Los Angeles, I found an example of our need for mutual cooperation. Your department had sent one of your 82A1 rifles in to us for service. All of my knowledge in the use of my rifle in the field of law enforcement had been turned upside down by witnessing how your department used yours. Not to protect and serve, but for deception, photo opportunities, and to further an ill-conceived effort that may result in the use of LA taxpayer monies to wage losing political battles in Washington against civil liberties regarding gun ownership.

    Please excuse my slow response on the repair service of the rifle. I am battling to what service I am repairing the rifle for. I will not sell, nor service, my rifles to those seeking to infringe upon the Constitution and the crystal clear rights it affords individuals to own firearms.

    I implore you to investigate the facts of the .50, to consider the liberties of the law-abiding people and our mutual coexistence, and to change your department's position on this issue.

    Sincerely,
    BARRETT FIREARMS MANUFACTURING, INC.
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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by jackalope View Post
    You must register to vote to exercise your right to vote, so registration is not an infringement.
    Why do you have to register to vote?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why do you have to register to vote?

    Cuz the Republicans are freaks.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They mean the .50BMG rifles.
    'Cause, you know, -so- many people have used them in crimes, and -so- many people have been killed by them.
    According to the site 50calterror.com, they're commonly used in holdups and drive by shootings.
    George Washington didn't use his freedom of speech to win the war with Britain... He shot them.

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    Re: Ammunition Bill Signed into Law

    Quote Originally Posted by stevenb View Post
    I believe you can buy .50 cal muzzle loaders.. but no modern .50bmg rifles.
    It's what caused Ronnie Barrett to stop selling his rifles to California PD and swat teams... along with not servicing them for them anymore.
    Of course, the anti-gun loons will ask: What do you need a 50BMG rifle for?

    I ask:
    Why, exactly, does a police department need a 50BMG rifle?

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