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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    1. Actually, it isn't--when it's your job. It's a matter of actually sitting down and DOING IT.

    2. You DON'T think that they need a clear mission? THEN WHY IN THE HELL ARE WE THERE???? AND HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE DONE? Or do you plan on having 100,000+ troops in a-ghan indefinitely???

    3. I was similarly critical of Bush for lacking a plan/direction. I have no problem with committing our military to kick the ass of any country--as long as we have clear goals/objectives in doing so.

    Not really a pacifist, but I like us to have a plan.
    I agree 100%. The only difference that I have with you is that when there was no mission from the start it is not that easy trying to mold a mission out of oatmeal if you get what I mean.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...I've said that the President is the one who needs to define the mission.
    I've also said that I don't expect him to be able to do that easily where there hasn't been a clearly defined mission from the beginning in over a decade.


    So how long does he need? How long are you willing to let troops sit in hostile terrirtory while you CiC "decides" ?
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    So how long does he need? How long are you willing to let troops sit in hostile terrirtory while you CiC "decides" ?
    They've been sitting in hostile territory for a decade without a plan. I'm willing to give more than a couple of weeks before deciding to amplify it.
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I agree 100%. The only difference that I have with you is that when there was no mission from the start it is not that easy trying to mold a mission out of oatmeal if you get what I mean.
    Then that should be his sole focus right now, and he should not divert his attention with other mundane activities until he's created his goals/objectives for our armed forces, who it needs to be said, are being shot at, waiting for him to decide.

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The problem is that for 8 years, the military has not had a clearly defined mission, goal, or terms of victory leading to withdrawal of U.S. forces. If Obama is continuing Bush's ill-conceived and ill-defined strategy, that's f'ing scary.

    Do you know what it reminds me of? Clinton & Somalia. That's what scares the pee out of me.
    You do know that it was Bush 41 that sent troops into Somalia?

    Clinton was smart enough not to get stuck in a quagmire, and got them out ASAP.

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Then that should be his sole focus right now, and he should not divert his attention with other mundane activities until he's created his goals/objectives for our armed forces, who it needs to be said, are being shot at, waiting for him to decide.
    I'm not sure that focusing 100% of his time on the issue is going to be able to help salvage what was a botched and ill-conceived mission from the beginning.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    I think they will be waiting for awhile before a coherent plan is formulated. Obama, unfortunately, seems to be more concerned about his image than about doing what is right. I don't agree with DADT in any way, but I think his timing on trying to end it has more to do with him caring about his image and the fact that he doesn't like being criticized for his inaction. Meanwhile, our troops are in harms way waiting for him to make a decision. I'm honestly curious how anyone can defend this.

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    Clinton was smart enough not to get stuck in a quagmire, and got them out ASAP.
    Are you REALLY going to stand by this position? It bears very little resemblance to the facts.

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Joe1991 View Post
    You do know that it was Bush 41 that sent troops into Somalia?

    Clinton was smart enough not to get stuck in a quagmire, and got them out ASAP.



    Clinton left men to die. Clinton was more concerned with international reputation, than the lives of those he kept in harms way.
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I'm honestly curious how anyone can defend this.
    That's the thing...I'm NOT an-Obama hater, but he was elected (by me and others) to do a job, and that job wasn't to focus on public appearances.

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