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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

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    I disagree obviously, but at least you are not hiding behind some obamalama lovin....
    You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that you believe that your service gives you carte blanche to speak for everyone in the military is simply laughable.



    Never claimed that.....


    I note you avoided Catz. questions.
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The fact that you believe that your service gives you carte blanche to speak for everyone in the military is simply laughable.
    You don't think that the overwhelming majority of military service personnel, almost all of whom have spent time overseas in the last 8 years of being at war, want a clearly defined mission?

    If not, you're daft. Sorry, but it's the truth. Our military personnel are heroes, and clearly they have no problem defending this country no matter what the cost, but they don't enjoy doing so without a clearly defined mission that includes terms for ending combat operations.

    This is kind of a no-brainer. That you think it's arguable is pretty funny.

    Also, you haven't answered my questions. Is there a reason for that? Should I feel neglected?

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Let's clarify...

    Do you think the military needs a clear mission and defined end terms for Afghanistan? Yes or no.

    Do they have these at present? Yes or no?

    Whose job is it to define these terms? ____________________

    I'd like Joe and DD to respond to these 3 questions, please.

    In answer to your questions:

    1. Yes....but they've NEVER had it from the beginning. Its kinda hard to all of a sudden try to define a "clear" mission and end terms when you are in the middle of the action.

    2. No.

    3. Obviously the President.


    However, those who are loudest at launching criticism are those who sat silent or cheered Bush on with his lack of plan from the beginning.

    ....and to then bring silly criticism that the President can't do anything other than focus on one issue is just ridiculous.
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In answer to your questions:

    1. Yes....but they've NEVER had it from the beginning. Its kinda hard to all of a sudden try to define a "clear" mission and end terms when you are in the middle of the action.

    2. No.

    3. Obviously the President.


    However, those who are loudest at launching criticism are those who sat silent or cheered Bush on with his lack of plan from the beginning.
    1. Actually, it isn't--when it's your job. It's a matter of actually sitting down and DOING IT.

    2. You DON'T think that they need a clear mission? THEN WHY IN THE HELL ARE WE THERE???? AND HOW WILL WE KNOW WHEN WE'RE DONE? Or do you plan on having 100,000+ troops in a-ghan indefinitely???

    3. I was similarly critical of Bush for lacking a plan/direction. I have no problem with committing our military to kick the ass of any country--as long as we have clear goals/objectives in doing so.

    Not really a pacifist, but I like us to have a plan.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 10-12-09 at 10:23 AM.

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    In answer to your questions:

    1. Yes....but they've NEVER had it from the beginning. Its kinda hard to all of a sudden try to define a "clear" mission and end terms when you are in the middle of the action.

    2. No.

    3. Obviously the President.


    However, those who are loudest at launching criticism are those who sat silent or cheered Bush on with his lack of plan from the beginning.

    ....and to then bring silly criticism that the President can't do anything other than focus on one issue is just ridiculous.




    so you think the president is the one who needs to define the mission, and that he hasn't yet, and your biggest complaint is the strawmen you created?
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    You don't think that the overwhelming majority of military service personnel, almost all of whom have spent time overseas in the last 8 years of being at war, want a clearly defined mission?

    If not, you're daft. Sorry, but it's the truth. Our military personnel are heroes, and clearly they have no problem defending this country no matter what the cost, but they don't enjoy doing so without a clearly defined mission that includes terms for ending combat operations.

    This is kind of a no-brainer. That you think it's arguable is pretty funny.

    Also, you haven't answered my questions. Is there a reason for that? Should I feel neglected?
    What part of committing more troops makes it all of a sudden a "clearly defined mission?"

    Anyone who believes that putting more troops in solves that problem is "daft"....sorry but that's the truth
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    so you think the president is the one who needs to define the mission, and that he hasn't yet, and your biggest complaint is the strawmen you created?
    No...I've said that the President is the one who needs to define the mission.
    I've also said that I don't expect him to be able to do that easily where there hasn't been a clearly defined mission from the beginning in over a decade.
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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What part of committing more troops makes it all of a sudden a "clearly defined mission?"

    Anyone who believes that putting more troops in solves that problem is "daft"....sorry but that's the truth
    ? This is a strawman, no one has argued this position.

    I've stated, from the beginning of this thread, that we don't commit troops until we know why they're going, and what we hope to accomplish -- in real temrs --- by sending them.

    Obama has not defined the mission (nor did Bush). We should not be committing additional troops until we do so (and frankly, Obama shouldn't be doing ANYTHING else with his time until he's figured out his goals for Afghanistan).

    Does that help you understand my position better??

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    Re: Support Grows to End 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No...I've said that the President is the one who needs to define the mission.
    I've also said that I don't expect him to be able to do that easily where there hasn't been a clearly defined mission from the beginning in over a decade.
    He seemed pretty clear on what should be done on the campaign trail. And, if this is so complicated, why does he have time to commit to a variety of other activities?

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