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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Dang TD I was expecting some sort of nonsenseacle rambleing response.

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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    You know what? I don't have a problem with a president who spends money on things that restores the health of our country.
    To bad it is not restoring anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    I do have a problem with a President who pours money into a unnecessary war while watching our military crumble under the strain watch our troops mental health crumble to the point of record suicide rates.
    This happens during any war, that's why they say "war is hell." Do I actually have to post suicide rates from Korea and Vietnam as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Who lies too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs. Watch our country's economy crumble to the point of near meltdown....I could go on.
    Yes you could and it would not matter...

    "I do have a problem with President Obama, who lies too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs. Watch our country's economy crumble to the point of near meltdown....I could go on."

    Funny how adding "Obama" to your words makes just as much sense.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    TD in your one tracked mind...excactly how fast should President Obama repair the eight years of the past administrations screw ups. Bush was handed a 128 billion dollar surplus..how long did it take him to toss that into the wind?
    Not to defend Bush but that is bull****. The surplus was imaginary...

    "The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

    While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.
    - The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    the race tightened up a few weeks ago when the republican's anti-women-in-the-work-place thesis from 20 years ago was frontpaged for several days by the post

    since then, deeds' momentum has reversed

    superstar doug wilder, the first, i believe, african american governor in our history, has refused to endorse the dem

    the white house has backed out of VA

    and the co-founder of BET (i heard her myself) mocked deeds' stutter and praised the republican as at least being able to articulate a cogent thought

    the point---the african american community of VA is really, for some reason, luke warm, maybe even passively aggressively opposed, to deeds

    black votership looks to be way down

    youth voters, as well

    the enthusiasm that swept this most electorally significant state (commonwealth, actually) to obama appears to have evaporated

    i believe african american angst derives from deeds' rather running away from the president

    i'm not really sure, i'm a californian

    i also know that TRAFFIC, commuter issues, is driving this race

    that'd be northern VA, essentially suburbs of DC

    this is the region that flipped the dominion to obama in november

    barring a huge sea change, it very much looks like VA is turning red in 3 weeks

    this will TERRIFY bluedogs nationwide

    new jersey is a different story

    it was in the red bag all thru the summer

    but then that third party guy (dagget?) jumped in, and now it's essentially tied

    i'll tell you, tho---when corzine ran the ad subliminally attacking christie for being fat---that does NOT look like an incumbent gov who thinks he's gonna win

    that arrest of the 30 or so mayors and rabbis for money laundering and trafficking in human body parts has got to play, one would think

    christie is a prosecutor with a strong anti corruption record

    (according to media reports)

    but christie has failed to put together any kind of BUDGETARY SOLUTION to the state's bankrupt condition

    it appears the republican is inarticulate when it comes to budget-type lingo

    dagget (if that's his name, i don't feel like googling...)

    it's daggett, i broke down and yahoo'd

    daggett capitalized on christie's weakness and issued some kinda politically tight report on how trenton can get out of its mess

    TAXES are the issue in NJ, i hear

    corzine is massively unpopular

    it very much appears to me that christie was a shoe in til the 3rd party candidate tossed in

    just a bunch of fyi

    3 weeks from tomorrow, a fun watch

    take care, friend, cliff

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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not to defend Bush but that is bull****. The surplus was imaginary...

    "The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

    While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.
    - The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
    Of course a conservative Blog would say that...they probably think Faux/CBN news is credible too.

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    I was under the impression that capitalist economies went through boom and bust cycles. We bought out this bust cycle and prevented a great depression from what I understand. Also the deficit is sustainable, many countries with higher debt to gdp ratios have stable sustainable economies. Our debt to gdp ratio is not that bad from what I hear. This bailout is a better economic plan than another war.

    You also cannot blame obama for the unemployment level, he inherited this economy. He also inherited the crumbling infrastructure that got grades of Cs and Ds, due to the bush administration.

    Who lies [Bush] too the citizens of his own country to suit his political needs...
    Once again you wallow in hyperbolic BS with nothing credible to support your absurd arguments.
    But yet, Obama has lied on numerous occasions and you seem to have no problems with that.
    He lied? Was it like WMD big? Like Iraq has connections to the Taliban and al-qaeda big? Like taking advantage of the confusion of 9-11 causing most americans to believe Iraq was somehow involved? Is that not a lie to suit a political need.

    ...rather than comprehend the REAL purpose of a military...
    What is the really real purpose of the military?

    Suggesting that the military is crumbling under the strain is hyperbolic BS that cannot be supported by anything remotely considered a credible fact
    It may not be crumbling, but it sure couldn't do anything about Iran if it needed to. GeoPolitical/Logistical oopsies.

    This [suicide] happens during any war, that's why they say "war is hell." DO I actually have to post suicide rates from Korea and Vietnam as well?
    Pussies, coming back home and blowing their brains out on grandma and granpas lawn... pfft psychological care means more taxes. You wanna tax grandpa and grandpa more, ungrateful? (I was in a military psych ward)

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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    TD in your one tracked mind...excactly how fast should President Obama repair the eight years of the past administrations screw ups.
    That is the point you still cannot seem to grasp, Obama is not repairing ANYTHING; if anything he is making it WORSE. Double digit unemployment, three times the previous adminstrations deficits and a National Debt that now costs the American taxpayers $500 million a day in interest.

    And this moron isn't even done yet; he still wants to insure another 45 million uninsured illegal aliens and cost the businesses of America Billions in a farcical cap and trade bill.

    It begs the question, how much damage are you going to ignore that these morons are doing before you admit you are a gullible Liberal who bought into the typical lies of the Democrats? Two years, THREE?

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Bush was handed a 128 billion dollar surplus..how long did it take him to toss that into the wind?
    He was also handed a recession, 9-11, hurricane Katrina and the BI-PARTISAN decisions to go into both Afghanistan and Iraq.

    I am fascinated how you want to give your candidates a pass on everything yet suggest that Bush did all this on his own. Fascinating denial if you ask me.



    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Doing the job correctly and not promply is what is important don't you agree.
    The notion that increasing the debt by $2 trillion, spending us into a decade of trillion dollar deficits and increasing the scope and size of government beyond anything Bush ever did as being "correct" requires an unbelieveable willingness to suspend disbelief; or massive doses of gullibility and kool-aid.


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    Re: Tea partiers turn on GOP leadership

    Quote Originally Posted by goldendog View Post
    Dang TD I was expecting some sort of nonsenseacle rambleing response.
    The definition of irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Not to defend Bush but that is bull****. The surplus was imaginary...

    "The claim is generally made that Clinton had a surplus of $69 billion in FY1998, $123 billion in FY1999 and $230 billion in FY2000 . In that same link, Clinton claimed that the national debt had been reduced by $360 billion in the last three years, presumably FY1998, FY1999, and FY2000--though, interestingly, $360 billion is not the sum of the alleged surpluses of the three years in question ($69B + $123B + $230B = $422B, not $360B).

    While not defending the increase of the federal debt under President Bush, it's curious to see Clinton's record promoted as having generated a surplus. It never happened. There was never a surplus and the facts support that position. In fact, far from a $360 billion reduction in the national debt in FY1998-FY2000, there was an increase of $281 billion.
    - The Myth of the Clinton Surplus
    Say I have 1 dollar of debt but three dollars in my pocket and I owe the owner of this debt one dollar and twenty five cents. I'm left with two dollars and seventy five cents in my pocket. That is where the surplus comes from. Now if I have only seventy five cents in my pocket Im in deep doo doo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I was under the impression that capitalist economies went through boom and bust cycles.
    That is correct; what economic theory suggests that a Government can borrow and spend its way out of one?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    We bought out this bust cycle and prevented a great depression from what I understand.
    And that is the farcical lie only the most gullible among us can possibly believe.

    What we did is buy ourselves and extended economic collapse when the bills come due; but the Dems in their desperate desire to maintain partisan political power will not be honest with the American people about how they will pay for their largess until after the 2010 midterms.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Also the deficit is sustainable, many countries with higher debt to gdp ratios have stable sustainable economies.
    That is a lie and the notion that a nation can spend trillions it doesn't have and run up a National debt that currently costs the American taxpayer $500 million a DAY requires immense amounts of kool-aid.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Our debt to gdp ratio is not that bad from what I hear. This bailout is a better economic plan than another war.
    Another fracical assertion; but then again, you are attempting to defend the indefensible.

    What do you think the current debt to GDP is right now?

    The notion that we fight wars for economic gain is another farcical delusion Liberals love to spew in order to defend their irresponsible deficit spending which does NOTHING to help the people they claim they wish to help, but instead create permanent deficits and dependent wards of the state.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    You also cannot blame obama for the unemployment level, he inherited this economy.
    How trite, yet you wish to blame the economy Bush inherited on Bush.

    Tell me something, how many years do you think it will take before it IS Obama's economy?

    The unemployment level has climbed directly due to the policies of these Democrats and this President. Spending trillions of dollars the Government doesn't have on pork barrell projects hasn't created ONE job nor has it stemmed any of the major the layoffs occurring in the private sector.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    He also inherited the crumbling infrastructure that got grades of Cs and Ds, due to the bush administration.
    I find this argument laughable in the extreme; who do you think is responsible for States infrastructure?

    How is that working in New York. Michigan and California; all states with Democrats running the show.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    He lied?
    Absolutely; he lied about Gitmo, he lied about Iraq and Afghanistan, he lied about creating 5,000,000 new high paying jobs and he will be proved a liar when the Democrats have to raise the taxes and fees to pay for the trillions of dollars they have spent that they dont have which has done NOTHING to create anything remotely considered to be economic activity.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Was it like WMD big? Like Iraq has connections to the Taliban and al-qaeda big? Like taking advantage of the confusion of 9-11 causing most americans to believe Iraq was somehow involved? Is that not a lie to suit a political need.
    There you go again, making things up to fit your narrow partisan views of the world in a vacuum of reality and credible facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    What is the really real purpose of the military?
    I am hardly surprised a Liberal would have to ask such a silly question while pretending they don't know the answer.

    I bet you think it is just a big Peace Corps.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    It may not be crumbling, but it sure couldn't do anything about Iran if it needed to. GeoPolitical/Logistical oopsies.
    Another laughable yet farcical argument requiring the willful suspension of disbelief or the willful denial of reality and the facts.

    Iran's entire military, economy and what little industrial capacity it has could be destroyed in a matter of weeks.

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Pussies, coming back home and blowing their brains out on grandma and granpas lawn... pfft psychological care means more taxes. You wanna tax grandpa and grandpa more, ungrateful? (I was in a military psych ward)
    Your offensive asinine hyperbolic BS aside, the notion that war causes people to commit suicide requires once again outright ignorance of the facts or perhaps willful denial.

    I suggest that before you attempt anything that could even be considered a coherent debate, you try to get some facts first.

    But alas, facts and reality can never be a part of a Liberals world view because if they had to deal with facts and reality their farcical notions about economics and human behavior would slap them in the face.

    Carry on; I look forward to more of your clown like assertions about economics, war and the human condition.

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