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Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurolog

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Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America | Mail Online

A warning that the new swine flu jab is linked to a deadly nerve disease has been sent by the Government to senior neurologists in a confidential letter.

The letter from the Health Protection Agency, the official body that oversees public health, has been leaked to The Mail on Sunday, leading to demands to know why the information has not been given to the public before the vaccination of millions of people, including children, begins.

It tells the neurologists that they must be alert for an increase in a brain disorder called Guillain-Barre Syndrome (GBS), which could be triggered by the vaccine.

GBS attacks the lining of the nerves, causing paralysis and inability to breathe, and can be fatal.

The letter, sent to about 600 neurologists on July 29, is the first sign that there is concern at the highest levels that the vaccine itself could cause serious complications.

Read more: Swine flu jab link to killer nerve disease: Leaked letter reveals concern of neurologists over 25 deaths in America | Mail Online

Shot? I THINK NOT!
 
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The whole rush to judgment on the swine flu has cause a panic, and those on the left are responsible for this fiasco.
 
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This wasn't the first indication that this would be a problem. Everyone already knew that the flu shot would cause a minuscule risk of Guillain-Barre, because that's what all flu shots do. It's not specific to the 2009 H1N1 shot. It's about a 1/100,000 chance of getting it, and even if you get it, there's a 95% chance that you'll recover.
 
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All vaccines come with risks attached.
The risks are miniscule; I strongly dislike fearmongers who exaggerate risks in an effort to convince people not to get vaccinated, under the guise of "warning" them.
To what purpose do you do this?
We are all far, far better off in a world where everybody gets all of their vaccines.
 
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CDC: 76 Kids Dead Of Swine Flu As Cases Rise - Health News Story - WSB Atlanta

Health officials said Friday that 76 U.S. children have died of swine flu, including 19 new reports in the past week -- more evidence the new virus is unusually dangerous for the young.

I love this part

The CDC doesn't have an exact count of all swine flu deaths and hospitalizations, but existing reports suggest more than 600 have died and more than 9,000 have been hospitalized. Health officials believe millions of Americans have caught the virus.

I find that mind boggling.... the supposed lead on this pandemic has no clue on how many have been sick or died of the pandemic....

But that brings me to the point of posting this information. There are risks in everything we jab in our bodies to protect us from something. The Swine flu vaccine is no different in its manufacturing than the seasonal flue jab which has been given to millions over the last many years without many complications.

What is sure, is that those groups who normally do not die of the seasonal flu are the hardest hit with swine flu deaths. 19 children reported in a week, in a system that is not geared to acutely keep track on the problem.. mind boggling. And we barely started flu season.
 
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CDC: 76 Kids Dead Of Swine Flu As Cases Rise - Health News Story - WSB Atlanta



I love this part



I find that mind boggling.... the supposed lead on this pandemic has no clue on how many have been sick or died of the pandemic....

But that brings me to the point of posting this information. There are risks in everything we jab in our bodies to protect us from something. The Swine flu vaccine is no different in its manufacturing than the seasonal flue jab which has been given to millions over the last many years without many complications.

What is sure, is that those groups who normally do not die of the seasonal flu are the hardest hit with swine flu deaths. 19 children reported in a week, in a system that is not geared to acutely keep track on the problem.. mind boggling. And we barely started flu season.


I was just reading an article about this the other day, Pete. They said the world health agencies stopped counting on purpose. Blew my mind. They said why, but I forget the reason cuz it seemed so dumb to me.
 
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I was just reading an article about this the other day, Pete. They said the world health agencies stopped counting on purpose. Blew my mind. They said why, but I forget the reason cuz it seemed so dumb to me.

I believe the reason was it was officially a pandemic and hence no need to count, since the counting was only done to see if the technical aspects of announcing a pandemic were met.. yea a lame excuse. Over here we count every death and sick person still.
 
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The whole rush to judgment on the swine flu has cause a panic,

This is ridiculous. The risks of dying from GBS that you get from the vaccine are *tiny* compared to the risks of dying from swine flu.

American said:
and those on the left are responsible for this fiasco.

Wow, way to trot out the partisan hackery. And it only took one post. :roll:
 
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CDC: 76 Kids Dead Of Swine Flu As Cases Rise - Health News Story - WSB Atlanta

I love this part

I find that mind boggling.... the supposed lead on this pandemic has no clue on how many have been sick or died of the pandemic....

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What is sure, is that those groups who normally do not die of the seasonal flu are the hardest hit with swine flu deaths. 19 children reported in a week, in a system that is not geared to acutely keep track on the problem.. mind boggling. And we barely started flu season.

Never miss a chance to tell us how much better Europe is than the US, eh?

I believe the reason was it was officially a pandemic and hence no need to count, since the counting was only done to see if the technical aspects of announcing a pandemic were met.. yea a lame excuse. Over here we count every death and sick person still.

Common sense tells me that the reason we don't have a precise count is because it's incredibly difficult to distinguish swine flu deaths from regular flu deaths from deaths due to a combination of things. I very much doubt the counts in Europe are that much more precise, regardless of what they tell you.
 
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This is ridiculous. The risks of dying from GBS that you get from the vaccine are *tiny* compared to the risks of dying from swine flu.

And the biggest thing with GBS is just neuron damage. Sure GBS isn't just mercury attacking peoples nerves? Something that has proven to be in swine shot vaccines.
 
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Another reason to oppose mandatory shots.

It isn't mandatory. And this is a stupid reason to not get the shot.
 
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My state is forcing all health care workers to get it.

I can understand the state's desire to not want sick health care workers infecting all of their patients, who may have some underlying condition that exacerbates the problem. I thought you were referring to a mandatory vaccination of the general public.

At any rate, this is still a stupid reason to not get the shot. The likelihood of getting GBS (or dying from it) is tiny compared to the likelihood of getting swine flu (or dying from it).
 
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My state is forcing all health care workers to get it.

And if the healthcare worker got the swine flu, infected a patient that then died of it, can we then charge the healthcare worker with murder since he refused the jab? Oh lets not forget sueing the state for millions for not firing the SOB.
 
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At any rate, this is still a stupid reason to not get the shot. The likelihood of getting GBS (or dying from it) is tiny compared to the likelihood of getting swine flu (or dying from it).

Chances are GBS is just a phantasy syndrome to cover for the bunk shots they let fly off the line every few out of a hundred. All GBS is, is a symptom in which "your own immune system attacks your nerves and damages them".


Thimerosal in Vaccines (FDA.gov)
Thimerosal, which is approximately 50% mercury by weight, has been one of the most widely used preservatives in vaccines. It is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate.


Now. Let us establish what mercury does to neurons.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU8nSn5Ezd8&feature=related"]YouTube - How Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Damage - Uni. of Calgary[/ame]


(Skip to 2:00 if you want to just see the actual raw video of mercury getting placed next to a neuron and watch the degeneration.)
I guess aluminum and lead do not have such a degenerate property according to the soothing voice on the video.
 
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Never miss a chance to tell us how much better Europe is than the US, eh?

Eh? Where the hell did I state anything of the sort in that post?

Common sense tells me that the reason we don't have a precise count is because it's incredibly difficult to distinguish swine flu deaths from regular flu deaths from deaths due to a combination of things. I very much doubt the counts in Europe are that much more precise, regardless of what they tell you.

Well I disagree. A large part of the people who die due to the swine flu, die not per say due to the flu it self, but because their immune system or health is in some way compromised or lacking. That is just like most people who die of AIDS dont die of AIDS it self, but because their immune system is crap and simple things like the flu is deadly.

I know for a fact that in the UK and in Spain they list every week or so how many new cases that are reported (note the reported) and each time a person dies from the swine flu or because of complications due the swine flu and complications it is noted. For example, 3 people have died in the province of Spain I live in due to the swine flu.

While we never can be 100% exact, at least they are counting it. I understand counting how many have been effected is damn hard since far from everyone goes to the doctor since the effect of the swine flu is different from person to person, but deaths should be pretty simple to record. After all a doctor has to list cause of death and so on, on a death certificate.

And no it is not some US vs Europe thing.. I just find it hard to believe that the CDC cant get a clear picture of numbers of deaths.. number of sick sure, but deaths?
 
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Well I disagree. A large part of the people who die due to the swine flu, die not per say due to the flu it self, but because their immune system or health is in some way compromised or lacking. That is just like most people who die of AIDS dont die of AIDS it self, but because their immune system is crap and simple things like the flu is deadly.

My understanding is that most people whose deaths are considered "swine flu-related" actually die of an opportunistic secondary bacterial infection, which is either pneumonia or something akin to it.
This does not necessarily indicate that "their immune systems were crap"; it merely means that they were unfortunate enough to be exposed to streptococcus pneumoniae while in a vulnerable state because they were already battling the H1N1 virus.
Hospitals tend to be crawling with streptococcus pneumoniae, for example; approximately 5% of patients admitted to hospitals for other conditions end up with it.

I would say it's just a matter of luck; and that also, if you have H1N1, it's best to isolate yourself and stay away from crowds and particularly from hospitals, if at all possible, thereby minimizing your risk of contracting a potentially deadly secondary infection while already weakened by H1N1.
 
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I just find it hard to believe that the CDC cant get a clear picture of numbers of deaths.. number of sick sure, but deaths?

After it became a pandemic, they stopped testing to see if flu-like symptoms were in fact swine flu. Approximately 99% of the current flu cases in the United States are swine flu, so there's really no point even testing for it anymore.
 
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After it became a pandemic, they stopped testing to see if flu-like symptoms were in fact swine flu. Approximately 99% of the current flu cases in the United States are swine flu, so there's really no point even testing for it anymore.

I thought that they where getting so many swabs that they stopped testing. And NOW 99% are swine flu.
 
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I thought that they where getting so many swabs that they stopped testing. And NOW 99% are swine flu.

That's because it's not (ordinary) flu season right now. At least not in the South, where H1N1 is most prevalent.
Also, because H1N1 is a virus we've not been exposed to before, we have no natural immunity to it. If we encounter it, we'll probably catch it.
That's the bottom line on that.
It's so prevalent in my city right now that hospitals have had to erect large tents in their parking lots to deal with the overflow of flu patients (and to keep them segregated from other patients who don't have flu).
There's no way it would be feasible to test each flu patient for swine flu at this time. There are too many of them.
The good news is that nearly all are recovering, and maybe, even without a vaccine, we'll all have some natural immunity to H1N1 built up within the next few years, and maybe next year it won't hit us so hard.
 
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Eh? Where the hell did I state anything of the sort in that post?

I've got no interest in quibbling with you about this again, but it's pretty obvious what you were implying with this:

I find that mind boggling.... the supposed lead on this pandemic has no clue on how many have been sick or died of the pandemic....
I believe the reason was it was officially a pandemic and hence no need to count, since the counting was only done to see if the technical aspects of announcing a pandemic were met.. yea a lame excuse. Over here we count every death and sick person still.
Well I disagree. A large part of the people who die due to the swine flu, die not per say due to the flu it self, but because their immune system or health is in some way compromised or lacking. That is just like most people who die of AIDS dont die of AIDS it self, but because their immune system is crap and simple things like the flu is deadly.

I know for a fact that in the UK and in Spain they list every week or so how many new cases that are reported (note the reported) and each time a person dies from the swine flu or because of complications due the swine flu and complications it is noted. For example, 3 people have died in the province of Spain I live in due to the swine flu.

While we never can be 100% exact, at least they are counting it. I understand counting how many have been effected is damn hard since far from everyone goes to the doctor since the effect of the swine flu is different from person to person, but deaths should be pretty simple to record. After all a doctor has to list cause of death and so on, on a death certificate.

And no it is not some US vs Europe thing.. I just find it hard to believe that the CDC cant get a clear picture of numbers of deaths.. number of sick sure, but deaths?

And again, that's because it's impractical. They have a good idea of the range of numbers, but it's by no means precise. If you think the numbers you're getting in the UK or Spain are significantly more accurate, you're deluding yourself.

The CDC has nine ways of monitoring influenza. Some focus on people who die from flu-like illness — one tracking deaths of children, another counting pneumonia and flu deaths of all ages in 122 cities.

Other systems gather flu-testing information from labs across the country. And some rely on reports of flu-like illness from hospital emergency departments and from estimates from state and territorial health officials.

Those systems combine to give a good general picture of whether more or fewer people are going to the doctor with flu, and how often lab samples are showing swine flu as compared to other respiratory bugs, health officials say.

There are problems that make even that data incomplete or inaccurate. Rapid flu tests — which are used in counting hospitalizations — are often wrong when they indicate a patient doesn't have swine flu, CDC studies have shown. In some cases, flu or swine flu was only confirmed at autopsy. But most deaths are not autopsied.

These problems are not unique to the United States. The World Health Organization also stopped counting cases in July, after deciding that tracking individual swine flu cases was too overwhelming for countries where the virus was spreading widely. The WHO has continued to update swine flu reports, but with the disclaimer that since countries are no longer required to test and report cases, WHO's numbers underestimate.

Britain also releases weekly swine flu updates, but the numbers are estimates based on how many people go to their doctors with flu-like illness, as well as calls logged to the national flu service.

The Associated Press: US, other nations stop counting pandemic flu cases
 
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