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Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

Easy for you to say, you're not going to have to deal with it. Then again, even when you were in the service the odds of you getting any trigger time were damn slim and none. So, it's no suprise if you don't get it.

Oh, c'mon now. She's a woman, which makes her more sensitive to gays. And it is true that she was far removed from the trigger. But she is only voicing the inevitable. The argument can be made that people felt the same way before black men marched with white men and before women flew combat sorties.
 
Why do we even need a policy?

In the Navy the only place we ever asked and told was in the showers.

We did not need Washington involved in that.

Only a pervert would invite a politician into a shower.
 
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Why do we even need a policy?

In the Navy the only place we ever asked and told was in the showers.

We did not need Washington involved in that.

Only a pervert would invite a politician into a shower.
is Palin a politician:;)
 
Easy for you to say, you're not going to have to deal with it. Then again, even when you were in the service the odds of you getting any trigger time were damn slim and none. So, it's no suprise if you don't get it.




Hey now, she signed on the line like you and I, she is our sister. No need for this.
 
Hey now, she signed on the line like you and I, she is our sister. No need for this.

She's a POG, sorry. I've been holding that in for a long time. Instead of us accepting her as our kinswomen, she needs to understand exactly who her kinsmen really are. Yes?
 
Easy for you to say, you're not going to have to deal with it. Then again, even when you were in the service the odds of you getting any trigger time were damn slim and none. So, it's no suprise if you don't get it.

No, I was in tighter quarters with less privacy than you ever dealt with, and yet somehow gays managed just fine.
 
No, I was in tighter quarters with less privacy than you ever dealt with, and yet somehow gays managed just fine.

You rode around fo hours on end with other soldiers inside a Bradley Fighting Vehicle? Drank from the same canteen? Ate from the same plate? Huddles together when the temp dropped into the teens, or lower? Then, went back to live in the same barracks, and used the same showers? I hardly think you dealt with it more than me.

I think you're refusing to see things from any other perspective than your own. You oughta start trusting what you're kinspeople are trying to tell you.
 
That is an absolute fact. But the difference is that they are not holding hands with each other right before a patrol. And they are not getting ready for bed with a room mate who is now having to dress behind a closed door in his own room.

Read the whole thread. I linked to a Rand study that among other things looked at other countries militaries that allow gays, and they found most gays are either circumspect, or still hide the fact. Further, the whole dressing/showering thing is a red herring. Gays are able to control themselves.



It's not about fear. You, above most, should know this about Marines. It's about sexual roles. One of the very real reasons the infantry is an all male club is that it is easier to deal with a unit without the immersion of sexual competition amongst the ranks. We add in the gay factor and we may as well room men with women. Except in this case, the men won't be so welcome to the "opposite" sex.

I'm not saying that (open) gays in the military won't work. Whether or not it works, it's going to happen. But no militarily inexperienced Commander-in-Chief is going to force this upon a military that is bleeding for him in the middle of war. Clinton wasn't in a war. But he found out quickly that this subject did him no favors when it came to sending others off to murder in his name.

Again, you show mistaken ideas about gays. Remember, as we both know, gays are already there, and this is by and large not an issue. Any time it is an issue, there are rules in place to handle it, just like any other problem.

It is going to happen, and the commander in chief and congress are who the military work for, not vice versa. You seem confused on this fact. If Obama and congress do the right thing and get this done, you will either deal with it or get out, the military has no right, no authority to say no.
 
Read the whole thread. I linked to a Rand study that among other things looked at other countries militaries that allow gays, and they found most gays are either circumspect, or still hide the fact. Further, the whole dressing/showering thing is a red herring. Gays are able to control themselves.

Moreso than heteros? They're super-human, or something?
 
You rode around fo hours on end with other soldiers inside a Bradley Fighting Vehicle? Drank from the same canteen? Ate from the same plate? Huddles together when the temp dropped into the teens, or lower? Then, went back to live in the same barracks, and used the same showers? I hardly think you dealt with it more than me.

I think you're refusing to see things from any other perspective than your own. You oughta start trusting what you're kinspeople are trying to tell you.

Hours...oh wow. Try 7 months, sleeping in bunks 3 high with the whole stack about 5 feet tall, and 3 feet between stacks. You are wrong, and continue to be wrong, and are being downright insulting in this thread.
 
Hours...oh wow. Try 7 months, sleeping in bunks 3 high with the whole stack about 5 feet tall, and 3 feet between stacks. You are wrong, and continue to be wrong, and are being downright insulting in this thread.

I'm not wrong. I have an opinion and that opinion is shaped by my personal experience, which is much broader than your experience. You've never served in a combat arms unit, yet you insist that you can judge the personalities that make up a combat arms unit. I speak with experience, just like Gunny does. You don't, ma'am.
 
Personally I don't think Obama will get rid of "Don't ask don't tell" ....The man is a politician first and he knows it would alienate more people then it would please especially people serving in the military now..........
 
Gays have always been a problem in the Navy......Hundreds get kicked out every year for making unwanted advances.............I don't really blame them...They are attracted to the opposite sex............
 
Gays have always been a problem in the Navy......Hundreds get kicked out every year for making unwanted advances.............I don't really blame them...They are attracted to the opposite sex............

Gays are attracted to the opposite sex?
 
Lesbians always want a 3 some with the greatness that is the good reverend, the porn ones, not the ones that look like d00ds.... I'm just sayin.... :thumbs:

Porn actresses want to have sex with whoever will make them money. It's not like they want to have sex with you so much as they see you asa money tree.
 
Porn actresses want to have sex with whoever will make them money. It's not like they want to have sex with you so much as they see you asa money tree.
sometimes it's pretty funny to read only the op and the last post. ;-)
 
Obama reaffirms will end 'don't ask, don't tell' - Yahoo! News

President Barack Obama pledged to end the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the military in a speech Saturday, but acknowledged to a cheering crowd that the policy changes he promised on the campaign trail are not coming as quickly as they expected.


DADT was a horrible policy from the start. Clinton should have ended the ban on gays in the military rather than agreeing to this compromise.
Thank You President Obama for standing on your principles.

DADT rewarded lying and deceit and punished honesty. It doesn't take much of a brain to understand that there is obviously something wrong with that.

In response to the blued ... I declare "BS" - Sometimes the only way to get to a destination is to take it in baby steps. Obviously forcing everyone to accept gays in the military at that time just wasn't going to happen.

I consider DADT a step in the right direction - in part because people's support isn't just coming from "gays have rights" but it comes because people have witnessed the result of DADT and are against it *because* of it's nature. And, in the process of this evolution, people no longer are against "gays" so much as they are agains the "maltreatment of gays."

Just like civil-rights for blacks progressed because of people's reaction and awareness to the hideous things that happened while Jim Crow laws and other means of segregation were in contention (such as photos of sit-in protestors being viciously attacked by dogs circulating in the press).

Sometimes there's no better way to make your point than for people to really see how "human" everyone really is. No one wants to hear of someone loosing their job because of "private" matters (such as your sexual orientation) which is the end result and downside of DADT.
Just the same as no one wanted to really see an African American being attacked by dogs just for "being there"
 
The problem with DADT is it allows straight sailors who realize they made a mistake in joining to go to their CO and claim they are gay to get a discharge and it is honorable...Sadly that happens all the time..........
 
The problem with DADT is it allows straight sailors who realize they made a mistake in joining to go to their CO and claim they are gay to get a discharge and it is honorable...Sadly that happens all the time..........

When I was in, people who wanted a quick and easy discharge just got high until they failed a piss test. It was bad enough that we started making them serve their full NJP punishment before being discharged. One guy spent 3 months on a cruise waiting for his drug discharge, and was never allowed off the ship once in that time.
 
The problem with DADT is it allows straight sailors who realize they made a mistake in joining to go to their CO and claim they are gay to get a discharge and it is honorable...Sadly that happens all the time..........

Of course....DADT punishes gay soldiers who tell the truth...and rewards straight soldiers who lie. Now that makes sense:roll:
 
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