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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    LOL we were posting at the same time

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    Actually my Dad was part of the Team the came up with DADT
    If that is true....I wouldn't be bragging about it. DADT is the sorriest piece of **** that I have seen.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    The Joint Chiefs Quarterly, which is the publication of said body, released the following editorial. It was written by Colonel Om Prakrash and vetted by the chairmen of the Joint Chiefs.

    http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pa...ons/i55/14.pdf

    If you can't get any clearer on why the policy needs to end, then you're just not paying attention.

    It emasculates the entire policy for placing the military in an ethical bind and compromising an organization that values its moral and ethical integrity as paramount.

    Conservatives are fond of saying that we should let the military make military policy. Apparently that only applies when it doesn't offend their righteous sensibilities. You can say that you think gay people should have the same rights, but you cannot say that and mean it when the reason you provide for denying them the basic right to be openly homosexual is that they're too craven to control themselves. 12,000 men and women have been kicked out of the armed services since the adoption of the policy. They were told to leave for no other reason than they were biologically compelled to like the same sex.

    In a nation that prides itself on openness and equality, on patriotism and on service to the nation, I find it sad and depressing that people who volunteered to put their life on the line are denied that right because they were simply different.

    I know why Obama hasn't acted yet, and it annoys me, but yes, but I am also willing to give him time. He's less than a year into his presidency after all.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    If that is true....I wouldn't be bragging about it. DADT is the sorriest piece of **** that I have seen.
    Yea, Colin Powell doesn't know anything about the military.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    How did we ever win ww2? Wasn't our policy the same?
    It was the Austrasians, that hewed on bravely through the thick of the fight, it was they who found and cut down the Saracen King.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, Colin Powell doesn't know anything about the military.

    Sorry....but legislation that allows somebody to serve if they lie and kicks them out if they tell the truth.....makes no sense at all.

    It doesn't take anyone with even 1/2 a brain to see that.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    The Joint Chiefs Quarterly, which is the publication of said body, released the following editorial. It was written by Colonel Om Prakrash and vetted by the chairmen of the Joint Chiefs.

    http://www.ndu.edu/inss/Press/jfq_pa...ons/i55/14.pdf

    If you can't get any clearer on why the policy needs to end, then you're just not paying attention.

    It emasculates the entire policy for placing the military in an ethical bind and compromising an organization that values its moral and ethical integrity as paramount.

    Conservatives are fond of saying that we should let the military make military policy. Apparently that only applies when it doesn't offend their righteous sensibilities. You can say that you think gay people should have the same rights, but you cannot say that and mean it when the reason you provide for denying them the basic right to be openly homosexual is that they're too craven to control themselves. 12,000 men and women have been kicked out of the armed services since the adoption of the policy. They were told to leave for no other reason than they were biologically compelled to like the same sex.

    In a nation that prides itself on openness and equality, on patriotism and on service to the nation, I find it sad and depressing that people who volunteered to put their life on the line are denied that right because they were simply different.

    I know why Obama hasn't acted yet, and it annoys me, but yes, but I am also willing to give him time. He's less than a year into his presidency after all.
    Link doesn't work.

    My objection to abolishing DADT is about unit cohesiveness in infantry units. Doing so would add many “interesting” new elements to already volatile environment…

    If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it...

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    I edited the link.

    And it is broke, so it needs fixing. Read the article.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but legislation that allows somebody to serve if they lie and kicks them out if they tell the truth.....makes no sense at all.

    It doesn't take anyone with even 1/2 a brain to see that.
    Do you really think you know what's best for an American infantry unit?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    From page 3 of the article I posted:

    In 1993, as the language was drafted for
    §654, there were no direct scientific studies
    regarding the effects of acknowledged homosexuals
    on either unit cohesion or combat
    effectiveness.
    Furthermore, it is incorrect
    to equate the two because unit cohesion is
    only one of many factors that go into combat
    effectiveness. Potentially far outweighing unit
    cohesion, for example, are logistics, training,
    equipment, organization, and leadership, just
    to name a few
    .

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