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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    AND READ THIS SECTION OF THE UCMJ

    925. ART. 125. SODOMY
    (a) Any person subject to this chapter who engages in unnatural carnal copulation with another person of the same or opposite sex or with an animal is guilty of sodomy. Penetration , however slight, is sufficient to complete the offense.
    (b) Any person found guilty of sodomy shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

    End of discussion DADT can't be changed.

    So I expect all of you folks who work at the Pentagon to stop by my office on Tues. PM me and I'll give you my office and floor # and then we can have anice chat with some of the JAG folks at the Pentagon.
    You know, I would dearly love to do just that. But I don't think you'd be able to take all the snickering you'll hear as you walk out of rooms for the next several weeks.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Actually my Dad was part of the Team the came up with DADT so once agin folks who might know something about this huh?????

    When Section 925 Art. 125 was thrown into the mix the discussion went to the USSC for a ruling the USSC came back and stated that neither Congress nor the President could over tunr the UCMJ for politacl reason, the Military had the right ot have certain Laws that while outside the US Military could be consider UN-Constitutional with-in the Military it was decide for Good Order Section 925 Art. 125 couldn't be over turned.
    This did not happen.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Which has been my argument throughout this thread. Obama, as Commander in Chief, CAN issue an executive order ending Article 125, as well as DADT. Thank you for "getting it".
    No he can't please go and try to learn something about UCMJ, it's slightly diferent then regual US Law. Exec. Order can't be used to change UCMJ it would be a violation of Excut. Power.

    As I said if it could have been changed then in 1996 Mr. Clinton would have signed an Excut. order to do it.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No he can't please go and try to learn something about UCMJ, it's slightly diferent then regual US Law. Exec. Order can't be used to change UCMJ it would be a violation of Excut. Power.

    As I said if it could have been changed then in 1996 Mr. Clinton would have signed an Excut. order to do it.
    Admittedly, I don't know much about the UCMJ, but I am not going to spend the time it takes to learn it all. After all, you didn't either.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Actually my Dad was part of the Team the came up with DADT so once agin folks who might know something about this huh?????

    When Section 925 Art. 125 was thrown into the mix the discussion went to the USSC for a ruling the USSC came back and stated that neither Congress nor the President could over tunr the UCMJ for politacl reason, the Military had the right ot have certain Laws that while outside the US Military could be consider UN-Constitutional with-in the Military it was decide for Good Order Section 925 Art. 125 couldn't be over turned.
    So oh wise one please explain how DADT came to be in the first place.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    No he can't please go and try to learn something about UCMJ, it's slightly diferent then regual US Law. Exec. Order can't be used to change UCMJ it would be a violation of Excut. Power.

    As I said if it could have been changed then in 1996 Mr. Clinton would have signed an Excut. order to do it.
    Dude.

    Here you go.

    Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

    DADT was enacted as Public Law 103-160, passed by Congress, after which it became 10 USC 37 Sec 654.

    US CODE: Title 10,654. Policy concerning homosexuality in the armed forces
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    This did not happen.
    Actually yes it did don't forget UCMJ is a set of Laws for the Military which as you know have different Laws then the General Puplic.

    In the Real World Section 925 Art. 125 would be ruled UN-Constitutional as a matter of fact it has been Texas Case come's to mind.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    The UCMJ is statutory law:

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ, 64 Stat. 109, 10 U.S.C. Chapter 47) , is the foundation of military law in the United States.

    Uniform Code of Military Justice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Statutory law can be changed at anytime by the US Congress:

    The United States Statutes at Large, commonly referred to as the Statutes at Large and abbreviated Stat., is the official source for the laws and concurrent resolutions passed by United States Congress.

    United States Statutes at Large - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Why are you unable to understand this!?

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So oh wise one please explain how DADT came to be in the first place.
    Done. Here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058301028
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Oh, and note -- being part of Chapter 37 and not 47, DADT isn't even IN the UCMJ.
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