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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    If Obama were to sign a stop-loss order, temporarily repealing DADT by ordering that it not be enforced
    I'm quite sure that that would be very illegal. It goes back to the thread about whether, or not, by virtue of being the president, that the president can give any ole order he wants. The reality is, he can't.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

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    I can't believe it, but I'm actually sticking up for PBO...
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you believe that Congress is actually going to pass an amendment that makes sodomy legal?
    I almost didn't read this thread due to the sheer size of it. Almost missed out on an incredibly entertaining demonstration of stupidity, even if it is pretty basic stuff.

    There's a difference in being able to and going to. Congress absolutely is able to get rid of it. The whole purpose of congress is to change law. Arguing that they don't have the authority to change statutory law is like arguing the Earth is flat.

    But you could argue that they're not going to. Many angles to take on that. One would be that they have more important things to devote their time to like passing healthcare so that they're not going to spend time on it. Or, you could say it's political suicide. That if the issue was brought up in congress the mormon church and conservatives would fund a massive campaign against it like they did proposition 8, swaying public opinion against any change. Politicians don't like voting for unpopular law because it hurts their chance of getting reelected. While the political aspect is certainly open to argument, it has the benefit of not being ignorant of highschool government level understanding.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by vvx View Post
    I almost didn't read this thread due to the sheer size of it. Almost missed out on an incredibly entertaining demonstration of stupidity, even if it is pretty basic stuff.

    There's a difference in being able to and going to. Congress absolutely is able to get rid of it. The whole purpose of congress is to change law. Arguing that they don't have the authority to change statutory law is like arguing the Earth is flat.

    But you could argue that they're not going to. Many angles to take on that. One would be that they have more important things to devote their time to like passing healthcare so that they're not going to spend time on it. Or, you could say it's political suicide. That if the issue was brought up in congress the mormon church and conservatives would fund a massive campaign against it like they did proposition 8, swaying public opinion against any change. Politicians don't like voting for unpopular law because it hurts their chance of getting reelected. While the political aspect is certainly open to argument, it has the benefit of not being ignorant of highschool government level understanding.

    That's nothing. Did you see where one poster posted an article that suggested that the president has the authority to oder a law not be enforced?

    There's a difference in being able to and going to. Congress absolutely is able to get rid of it.
    So, you're saying that Congress can abolish a law forbiding sodomy? I'm sorry, but I don't believe that they can actually do that.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you're saying that Congress can abolish a law forbiding sodomy? I'm sorry, but I don't believe that they can actually do that.
    Congress has the complete legislative authority of the United States.

    What Constitutional provision prohibits them from abolishing a law forbidding sodomy?

    Failing that, what else stops them from doing so?

    Be specific.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Congress has the complete legislative authority of the United States.

    What Constitutional provision prohibits them from abolishing a law forbidding sodomy?

    Failing that, what else stops them from doing so?

    Be specific.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Jeeze ****ing xhrist folks what part of this don't you understand if the President could have just signed and excutive Order why didn't Mr. Clinton just do this back in 1996 huh , now before making another post all of you keep saying that the President and Congress can change the UCMJ then why didn't they do it back in 1996.

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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Congress has the complete legislative authority of the United States.

    What Constitutional provision prohibits them from abolishing a law forbidding sodomy?

    Failing that, what else stops them from doing so?

    Be specific.
    Probably the same restrictions on their authority that would disallow them from making rape and murder legal.
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    Re: Obama reaffirms will end "Don't ask Don't tell"

    Quote Originally Posted by Scorpion89 View Post
    Jeeze ****ing xhrist folks what part of this don't you understand if the President could have just signed and excutive Order why didn't Mr. Clinton just do this back in 1996 huh , now before making another post all of you keep saying that the President and Congress can change the UCMJ then why didn't they do it back in 1996.
    Very good point.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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